quotes
"I didn’t know [Colin Powell] was still a Republican."
"I would say Rush Limbaugh is a true Republican."

a) How funny is it that DICK CHENEY is trying to call someone out on not being a true Republican, and
b) I’m seriously wondering if this guy has a personal goal of seeing his party burn, because everything he does seems to be counter the moderatism that the GOP needs at this point.

Big shock there. Cheney being a douche? Whoda thunk it?

No, true republicans slaughter babies, rape dogs, and punch old women in the face for using medicare. Also, true republicans are white, worship Jesus, and stomp faggots. Yup.

No, they marginalize/alienate faggots, like Obama did with his "anti-gay marriage" stance which is certainly based on religion, because it runs counter to logic..

Skinheads stomp faggots.

is that evil cristoph?

yeah

No shock, but honestly, how long is he going to keep this up. Does he think it’s somehow benefitting his party? Or maybe he’s just an angry old man who is voicing his opinions?

it’s jimeigh

a lot of things suddenly make sense

it’s jimeigh, not me.

you’re eating your own.

i want to see your pic then cris

no homo

but ec does have a pic in the post your pic sticky here… he actually looks somewhat normal surprisingly

I think it got deleted when kinggovernor’s threads got pruned. But yeah, he had a cute picture of him and his little baby there. I was shocked he looks like a decent person.

that would most likely have shocked me as well

weight wat

I want to punch him when I read his posts, but yeah I’d have a drink with EvilC based on his pic.

Back on topic… at Cheney.
(insert shooting friend in the face joke here)

Cheney’s a tool, he always has been….the man had a soul that was bought and paid for. It’s funny that he should lecture people how who is/isn’t republican after his last body of work.
what’s wrong with that statement?

colin is a turncoat to the party and rush is expressing the same views that they hold right now

ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER AMIRITE

no but colin did turn on the party. you can’t be in bed with the democrats and still consider yourself a republican, for better or for worse.

how is he a turncoat? He endorsed obama cuz mccain was shit. That just makes him a moderate republican.

if anything it makes him a leftist altogether. it is highly irresponsible to endorse a candidate other than your own party’s unless he is awful. mccain was qualified. he just lacked charisma.

Someone can endorse whomever they choose, and in doing so does not make one a turncoat.

In his judgement maybe he did believe McCain and by extension Palin were awful. But neither you nor I know for certain about that. We can only make guesses that his endorsement was in de facto a declaration that McCain/Palin were an awful choice.

i personally think he was just jockeying for a position in obama’s cabinet then got snubbed.

i think cheney’s criticism is fair. why shouldn’t he expect criticism in his own party for a move like that?

He can expect criticism, but I don’t hold Cheney’s criticism as holding any weight or significance. Especially considering this latest slavo from him just seems like a lot of last minute sour grapes bloviating.

There wasn’t much fundamentally different between McCain and Obama. Palin was a turnoff to moderates everywhere, that and McCain stay the course shit in Iraq.

You’re right, McCain should have lied about Iraq as well. Probably would have made a lot more sense politically to say we’ll be out in a year and then quietly move the deadline later on.

Mother. Fucking. .

Bottom line, you cannot support Obama if you actually believe in anything the Republican Party is supposed to stand for. Obama is not a moderate.

Of course, it may be that you cannot support McCain either if you actually believe in anything the Republican Party is supposed to stand for… but in that case, just keep your mouth shut.

I think Cheney’s criticism would be fair if…

Cheney actually believed in traditional republican values.

On the other hand, I can’t blame Powell for thinking Palin was a potential disaster for the country.

But I don’t see how supporting Obama is supporting republican values either.
“The Republican Party is in deep trouble," he said, according to the Journal. “The party must realize that the country has changed. Americans do want to pay taxes for services. Americans are looking for more government in their life, not less."

Powell is totally not a republican

Yeah, I’m so glad we didn’t end up with a vice president who is a complete doofus…

…………

if democrats are suggesting the republicans should become more moderate, then they probably shouldn’t.

I think they mean stop with the Jesus rode a dinosaur nonsense or eggs equal people or dem terrorists are in my closet stuff.
maybe. it sounds to me though like the dems want the republican party to be nothing more than "democrat-lite." no thank you.

This hardline "you can’t support anything on the other side or it’s treachery to your side" bullshit position is getting really annoying. The irrationality of that kind of view would be hilarious if it wasn’t shared by so many others.

Hell, our current VP is Dan Quayle part deux.

The only thing more outrageous than biden’s mouth are his hair plugs. My god…

I didn’t say that. But look at Obama’s policies. You simply cannot support them and claim to be any kind of conservative. It’s not about party. It’s about ideas and basic principles.

What Obama’s governing philosophy boils down to is, it’s the government’s job to run people’s lives and meddle in their decisions, for some supposed greater good. You cannot be a conservative and agree with this, in any way. It is anathema to conservatism and to what this country was founded on, i.e. liberty, and economic liberty in particular.

Time’s are a changin’. 65% of americans approve of Obama, and so if the Republicans want to start winning elections again they have to shift to the left.

Every 1st world nation has a liberal evolution, and america is no different.

He is personally popular for now, but if you look at the popularity of his policy proposals they are far lower.

The republicans were saying the same thing after Bush won and they had a majority everywhere.

All the dems had to do was wait until the repubs got stupid and took the blame when the economy went down. It doesn’t take long for the wheel to turn these days.

Ding…. Obama is also already quite low on approval for a president just after 100 days.

April approval ratings in first year in office (Gallup)

Obama 56%
Bush 43, 2001 62%
Clinton, 1993 55%
Bush, 1989 58%
Reagan, 1981 67%
Carter, 1977 63%
Nixon, 1969 61%

Sampling error: +/-3% pts

he seems to be within the margin of error of the mean, more or less.

and bush 43 had a relatively quiet first 100 days compared to obama…

did bush have two wars a huge deficit and a badly sinking economy to deal with?

only because clinton dragging down the mean average so much…

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President Barack Obama waves and learns the door on Marine One is much shorter than he is, and bumps his head slightly, Monday, Feb 9, 2009, as he leaves for a trip to Andrews Air Force Base, Md. and then onto Elkhart, Ind. to hold a town hall meeting on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan.
(AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

It’s a joke, he hit his head entering the helicopter. This is funny when Bush did it..

dick
When it happened to Bush, he was considered an idiot for it.

it wasn’t news then either.

At least Bush only had to be sworn in once, two separate times.

Right, because I posted this as breaking news..

fucktard.

This seems pretty important.

IBFBI.
You need a youtube clip to make it funny, just a heads up.
Seriously though, that is pretty funny that he hit his head.

I thought so, he’s making it harder on himself recently with a lot of shit like that. I have to admit though, if it were me, it would be awfully difficult to handle the pressure he must feel.

It doesn’t mean anything, it’s not a political blunder or anything like that. Occasionally, you’ll forget to duck when walking under a doorway or somewhere where you can hit your head and you’ll hit your head. It happens to just about everyone. Just because he’s our president doesn’t mean he’s somehow less of a human who encounters the same problems the rest of us do at some time. He probably gets morning wood too and maybe he’ll even rub one out in the Oval Office.

And he smokes..

He wants cancer. Bring it on. He’ll just toss some money at it and make it go away

exactly.

I’ve been living in the same house for 12 years and I still occasionally hit my head on a low beam in the basement. I guess it’s from all the pressure I must have!!!

woulda been first on my to-do list
knowing Obama in his narcissist ways, will demand to have the helicopter redesigned.

Ban them as "assault choppers".

I demand that they redesign it! we can’t risk our chairman hurting himself. what if he needs to get in and out quickly because he is being attacked by counterrevolutionaries? they already redesigned the presidential limo in his honor, its only right that they fix the helicopters too

Vice President Palin does not tolerate liberal bullshit!

Not as funny as I thought it would be

Now now, dont give the bush torch over that easily, its only been what, 3 weeks? Let him be a complete moron for another 8 years and then maybe give him the good old dubya seal of approval

Bush is considered an idiot for far more than bumping his head.

Let’s hope so.

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i’ve been meaning to read this book for a couple years now and this thread reminded me to go get it from the library today. so this thread wasn’t completely useless.

i don’t know about that…i think everyone on OT is pretty libertarian

And to Rand.

Unfortunately, it will literally take a strike of the mind to teach the moochers a lesson

i lost my copies of atlas shrugged and the fountainhead I’m ordering new copies today

i should have said the main forum…not OT in general :
part 2 is

wow there are 25 people in front of me at line for it

just buy it for your kindle

it is VERY eerie how well it relates to the current day

She has more than one book.

I’d suggest The Fountainhead then Atlas Shrugged, but a lot of others suggest the opposite.

They’re worth owning.

my eyes have been opened to how fucked we all are

seriously, someone must be pumping his house full of kool aid

also read "capitalism: the unknown ideal," which is a collection of essays

I’ve been re-reading Atlas Shrugged over the past few weeks, and it’s just fucking spot ON

you’re low level of trolling makes me lol

It shouldn’t be opened by that pseudophilosophical drivel

she doesn’t want programs that take money from the average person to give to poor bastards. Immediately that’s anti-shibster

when was the last time you got your place checked for carbon monoxide poisoning?

Probably so. Most people here can’t read, lawl

in case you run out of toilet paper or need to burn something for warmth?

Peace love and objectivism
her stance on being anti-brother’s keeper makes me want to make sweet love to her

true
I will sum up the moral lesson in Atlas Shrugged for everyone.

The rich are obviously the most productive members (and therefore the most moral) this means the poor are immoral simply because they are poor.
And since her objectivist morals are objective, you are immoral if you disagree.

and thus why no scholar will take her seriously.

every man’s purpose in life is to make themselves happy. I don’t see what is so bad about the idea that no one should be forced to care for the less fortunate. Whatever hapened to "only the strong survive"?

Natural selection works great in nature. Doesn’t really fit social situations. Social Darwinism is lol.

I could just as quickly argue that man, as a very social species requires the presence and work of other humans to survive and improve their situation. Any person who doesn’t adapt and work towards improving their community as a whole should be considered a parasite.

Correct, no one that has had any impact on our country has ever been a fan of Rand’s basic principals, much less a member of her inner circle.
liberals are terrified of Ayn Rand…. just look at this thread

alan greenspan

socialism lol

conservatives are terrified of science textbooks. Just look at the midwest.

Yes, but not for the reason you’re thinking. Everyone and their mom here is a hardcore Objectivist and anarcho-libertarian.

sarcasm?

lol wut?

Case and point. No one who’s ever made a difference in this country.

Will you shut the fuck up? I’m trying to set him up the bomb.

I just suggested We the Living, I’m familiar

Way to twist Rand’s ideas to fit your own sociopathic view of the world

Alan Greenspan
I had Greenspan’s wiki page open already and shit, goddamn oblivious fuckers

sorry

I know about Ayn Rand and who she’s influenced. I’ve read Fountainhead and am currently reading Atlas Shrugged. I was making a joke about RP.

What about Greenspan’s career echoed anything Rand ever said?

well it is true that a lot of hardcore objectivists see greenspan as a traitor

if people want to gather together and share their weatlth, that’s fine. Forcing people to do it is not fine

i guess you missed the two videos i posted on the previous page where she says the same things

Forcing people to do it is the very essence of objective morality. Rand just found it distasteful and thus could never bring herself to admit that the only truly objective moral stance is that might makes right.
I have to say that she showed great courage to say those things, considering the era at the time. great interview.

Objectivism is about selfishness in the most un-evil way possible. In no way does she ever suggest you should step all over everyone else to have your way though. Her philosophy is as much about fairness as it is selfishness.

he wrote several essays for her and even part of a book

‘Atlas Shrugged’: From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years

By STEPHEN MOORE

Some years ago when I worked at the libertarian Cato Institute, we used to label any new hire who had not yet read "Atlas Shrugged" a "virgin." Being conversant in Ayn Rand’s classic novel about the economic carnage caused by big government run amok was practically a job requirement. If only "Atlas" were required reading for every member of Congress and political appointee in the Obama administration. I’m confident that we’d get out of the current financial mess a lot faster.

The art for a 1999 postage stamp.

Many of us who know Rand’s work have noticed that with each passing week, and with each successive bailout plan and economic-stimulus scheme out of Washington, our current politicians are committing the very acts of economic lunacy that "Atlas Shrugged" parodied in 1957, when this 1,000-page novel was first published and became an instant hit.

Rand, who had come to America from Soviet Russia with striking insights into totalitarianism and the destructiveness of socialism, was already a celebrity. The left, naturally, hated her. But as recently as 1991, a survey by the Library of Congress and the Book of the Month Club found that readers rated "Atlas" as the second-most influential book in their lives, behind only the Bible.

For the uninitiated, the moral of the story is simply this: Politicians invariably respond to crises — that in most cases they themselves created — by spawning new government programs, laws and regulations. These, in turn, generate more havoc and poverty, which inspires the politicians to create more programs . . . and the downward spiral repeats itself until the productive sectors of the economy collapse under the collective weight of taxes and other burdens imposed in the name of fairness, equality and do-goodism.

In the book, these relentless wealth redistributionists and their programs are disparaged as "the looters and their laws." Every new act of government futility and stupidity carries with it a benevolent-sounding title. These include the "Anti-Greed Act" to redistribute income (sounds like Charlie Rangel’s promises soak-the-rich tax bill) and the "Equalization of Opportunity Act" to prevent people from starting more than one business (to give other people a chance). My personal favorite, the "Anti Dog-Eat-Dog Act," aims to restrict cut-throat competition between firms and thus slow the wave of business bankruptcies. Why didn’t Hank Paulson think of that?

These acts and edicts sound farcical, yes, but no more so than the actual events in Washington, circa 2008. We already have been served up the $700 billion "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act" and the "Auto Industry Financing and Restructuring Act." Now that Barack Obama is in town, he will soon sign into law with great urgency the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan." This latest Hail Mary pass will increase the federal budget (which has already expanded by $1.5 trillion in eight years under George Bush) by an additional $1 trillion — in roughly his first 100 days in office.

The current economic strategy is right out of "Atlas Shrugged": The more incompetent you are in business, the more handouts the politicians will bestow on you. That’s the justification for the $2 trillion of subsidies doled out already to keep afloat distressed insurance companies, banks, Wall Street investment houses, and auto companies — while standing next in line for their share of the booty are real-estate developers, the steel industry, chemical companies, airlines, ethanol producers, construction firms and even catfish farmers. With each successive bailout to "calm the markets," another trillion of national wealth is subsequently lost. Yet, as "Atlas" grimly foretold, we now treat the incompetent who wreck their companies as victims, while those resourceful business owners who manage to make a profit are portrayed as recipients of illegitimate "windfalls."

When Rand was writing in the 1950s, one of the pillars of American industrial might was the railroads. In her novel the railroad owner, Dagny Taggart, an enterprising industrialist, has a FedEx-like vision for expansion and first-rate service by rail. But she is continuously badgered, cajoled, taxed, ruled and regulated — always in the public interest — into bankruptcy. Sound far-fetched? On the day I sat down to write this ode to "Atlas," a Wall Street Journal headline blared: "Rail Shippers Ask Congress to Regulate Freight Prices."

In one chapter of the book, an entrepreneur invents a new miracle metal — stronger but lighter than steel. The government immediately appropriates the invention in "the public good." The politicians demand that the metal inventor come to Washington and sign over ownership of his invention or lose everything.

The scene is eerily similar to an event late last year when six bank presidents were summoned by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson to Washington, and then shuttled into a conference room and told, in effect, that they could not leave until they collectively signed a document handing over percentages of their future profits to the government. The Treasury folks insisted that this shakedown, too, was all in "the public interest."

Ultimately, "Atlas Shrugged" is a celebration of the entrepreneur, the risk taker and the cultivator of wealth through human intellect. Critics dismissed the novel as simple-minded, and even some of Rand’s political admirers complained that she lacked compassion. Yet one pertinent warning resounds throughout the book: When profits and wealth and creativity are denigrated in society, they start to disappear — leaving everyone the poorer.

One memorable moment in "Atlas" occurs near the very end, when the economy has been rendered comatose by all the great economic minds in Washington. Finally, and out of desperation, the politicians come to the heroic businessman John Galt (who has resisted their assault on capitalism) and beg him to help them get the economy back on track. The discussion sounds much like what would happen today:

Galt: "You want me to be Economic Dictator?"

Mr. Thompson: "Yes!"

"And you’ll obey any order I give?"

"Implicitly!"

"Then start by abolishing all income taxes."

"Oh no!" screamed Mr. Thompson, leaping to his feet. "We couldn’t do that . . . How would we pay government employees?"

"Fire your government employees."

"Oh, no!"

Abolishing the income tax. Now that really would be a genuine economic stimulus. But Mr. Obama and the Democrats in Washington want to do the opposite: to raise the income tax "for purposes of fairness" as Barack Obama puts it.

David Kelley, the president of the Atlas Society, which is dedicated to promoting Rand’s ideas, explains that "the older the book gets, the more timely its message." He tells me that there are plans to make "Atlas Shrugged" into a major motion picture — it is the only classic novel of recent decades that was never made into a movie. "We don’t need to make a movie out of the book," Mr. Kelley jokes. "We are living it right now."

Mr. Moore is senior economics writer for The Wall Street Journal editorial page.
She took things to extreme as a result of her background. Her basic ideals of working for yourself are still interesting and relevant.

He was one of her good friends, actually.

I could write a book detailing the reasons we should eliminate evolution from schools and substitute prayer.
Doesn’t mean I’m ever going to practice such an idea.

oh

government should be invisible to the people. it shouldn’t creep into every facet of its’ peoples’ lives and take their money and freedoms.

Where did i say you should step all over everyone? Fairness is me being in control of my own destiny and wealth. That means if I personally feel zero compassion for my fellow man, i shouldn’t be forced to help them

Greenspan also lauded the idea of a return to a gold standard in an essay he wrote.

Think he ever had any intention of doing that once he was chairman of the fed? How many times do you think it ever got brought up during his work as an economic consultant?

I won’t defend religious nuts…. but

Liberals are never scared of science though amirite? Especially concerning sex differences, racial intelligence differences, or the basis of homosexuality….

You limp wristed chumps get all pussy hurt just the same…. you’re no better than they are.

yeah agreed. not everything she said really applies well to real world situations I think. I think pure capitalism, much like pure communism relies far too heavily on the better angels of people’s natures.

Why do you have this need for a government?

Right, if people were honest and moral, it would be a great system. So would Socialism. People aren’t honest.

yeah that’s one of the primary reasons a lot of objectivists see him as having betrayed her principles. she wasn’t much on the idea of central banks or bakers.

yup, humanity is flawed and there will always be dishonest people

I personally could live in the woods and provide everything that i need for life and happiness. Too bad most humans aren’t capable of that

WHO IS JOHN GALT?

I have the audiobook. I need to listen to it.
I got a copy at my parents. I should get it and reread it. Never read this foundainhead book, I’ll get on that too.

no you couldn’t. You would need another person to teach you those skills.
You would also need another person to avoid going completely nuts from the lack of social contact.

You are wrong.

not rly

We the Living is better

no

sorry but yes. Even Rand can’t beat the way the human brain works.
my, how times have changed

he’s fucking smoking

she’s accessing various parts of her memory
She’s awesome. Her work might not amount to an economic treatise but it’s an awesome heroic morality for rationalists and humanists.
Wallace: "Do you predict dictatorship and economic disaster for the United States?"

Rand: "If the present collectivist trend continues, if the present ???? philsophy continues - yes that is the way the country is going"
wallace did a fantastic job with that interview

such an interview is impossible today on network television

it would be Geraldo self-assuredly espousing the ideals of the status quo, an "expert" in the studio with him, then they would bring on Rand who would be linked in remotely and another "expert" linked in remotely

Then Geraldo would ask one question, Rand would start to answer, and everyone would start talking over her
interviews were so raw back then. Just 2 people sitting down having an intellectual conversation. Good shit

It would be like getting interviewed for The Banner lol

and actually allowing each other to speak with minimal interruption

word

you just now realized this?

Hmm… why is it you seem to be inching towards being an economic socialist and a moral objectivist? (if it were possible to be such a thing)

Not really.
i just started reading atlas

never read ayn rand before

I know, the key word is inching. You seem to be backing away from the form of capitalism objectivism supports. For me, any objectivist leanings I have are due to this economic theory and less the morality… so i find it interesting is all.

I’m just saying the novels serve to portray ideals through the heroic characters but are of insufficient detail to lay out any kind of actual plan for implementing an economic system based on that morality. Also sometimes my personal interest does coincide with social programs. It’s the assumption that I owe it to others to help them that I don’t agree with. But if providing a base poverty line through welfare for example keeps people from rioting and living in shanty towns across the country it could be worth it to me.
ugly ass soviet whore that nerds like to talk about to sound smart on the internet.

I see you took the time out of your busy schedule to watch the videos
i read atlas shrugged traveling through europe on nationalized train rails
objectivism is based on the false belief that humans are innately rationale.

they are not. they are controlled by emotions with logical accents. even if they were innately rationale, capitalism rewards socially negative outcomes for the benefit of a few such as creating products with the byproduct of pollution.

look at the unregulated market for derivative securities and complex instruments that led to the current financial crisis. either the people peddling such securities were logical and knew they would make earn lots of money by swindling these securities to moronic buyers (the buyers thought buying the securities was rationale but was in fact not) or they had no idea what they were selling and neither did the buyer.

either way, you had a socially negative outcome that may have resulted in profits for a few. such outcomes would become profligate under a libertarian government.

werd

i was hungover when i made this thread

watch Al Jazeera English; it’s exactly like that, it’s amazing.

lol at the irony of your screen name and then saying rand is horrible

uhh do you know how many ayn rand leghumpers there are on this forum? she’s probably the most cited author on this site dog.

Kafka would be opposed to Ayn Rand. Read The Trial.

i think hunter s thompson would be ahead of rand

oh i know
i’m not a rand leghumper (don’t really know shit about her)

but those videos are

werd. If you get a chance, read the fountainhead and atlas shrugged. Eerie is the only way to describe them
rand’s self-determination is a big part of my philosophy, but i also believe in the importance of altruism
The Incredibles was chock full of objectivist philosophy.

So does neo-objectivism.
alex jones sunday show is on right now

live streaming:

Fuck that crotchety cunt.

There is a middle ground from her idea of what’s best from what is.
I finished fountainhead for the first time at 6:30 this morning. Spent all night reading it. The end was fucking hectic. It was awesome.

I pretty much felt that these characters are ideals. No human on earth could come close to being what Roark.

And rand knocks on altruism in great detail.
As long as you find pure genuine wholesome joy in seeing someone else benefit from your favor, altruism won’t get the best of you. amirite?

I wanted to say this. Great interview.

lol

Francisco: "Why should you care about the others?"
Dagny: "Because I like to understand things, and there’s something about people that I can’t understand."
Francisco:"What?"
Dagny:"Well, I’ve always been unpopular in school and it didn’t bother me, but now I’ve discovered the reason. It’s an impossible kind of reason.
They dislike me, not because I do things badly, but because I do them well. They dislike me because I’ve always had the best grades in the class. I don’t even have to study. I always get A’s. Do you suppose I should try to get D’s for a change and become the most popular girl in school?"

Francisco stopped, looked at her and slapped her face.

She is offering something prescriptive. People should not be controlled by their emotions. Being rational is something that takes effort; it’s something that people should try to achieve.

WERD. Sometimes i think irrational people outnumber rational people by 100 to 1

Sometimes?

my favorite part was when he asked her if the criticism that she wanted to destroy institutions like religion was true and she was like "uhh yes motherfucker"

Link to where you got these?

"I’m marrying for your own good."

Fuck, she hit the nail on the head.
there are times to submit to your emotions and times to submit to your reason. the key is having the wisdom to know which is best at the time and having the strength control it.

reason and emotion are tools of man, not its master. in the empty space between them, devoid of compulsive thoughts and words, is where i feel i am truly myself.

werd

One of Bruce Lee’s favorite philosophers along with Krishnamurti.
Ayn Rand seems to have become the trend on here recently. I could hardly make it through 10 pages of Atlas Shrugged before losing interest.

makes sense, jeet kune do is philosophically the objectivist approach to fighting lol.

Compelling logic Aristotle.

Yeah pretty much. The philosophy behind JKD is incredible. A true JKD man is not to be fucked with.

You’re the same guy that loved the dark knight, so i can see why

OH…
Atlas Shrugged ftw, still one of the best books i’ve read

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Thats over 3x the amout of people who are even of working age, much less employed.

Exactly. It’s so fucked that our Kids and our Kids Kids will be unemployed!

don’t spoil the right winger’s fun on posting totally pointless news item

The best part is that this isn’t the first time she’s been caught saying that. She really believes her own lies.

Oh MAN, you have no idea how wrong you are with that statement. I’m a moderate, and I hated Bush just as much as I hate Pelosi.

Don’t even defend this woman. I’m a democrat and think she’s the most useless woman alive.

yeah she’s pretty terrible I agree but I really think she just misspoke

as a man I agree with this statement

She says stupid fear tactics shit like this ALL the time. "THE SEAS ARE 5 FEET HIGHER THAN THEY WERE 5 YEARS AGO" or something along that line comes to mind. Again, I’m a huge advocate of the global warming argument, but don’t scare people into action by lying blatantly.

You don’t make the same glaring mistake twice, only when people call you out on it do you realize it. Gotta catch people off guard before they realize that you’re a lying slut.

Holy fuck, am I actually agreeing with kinggovernor?

I have a little secret for you, Obama and crew never used politics of ‘hope’ they have been using fear tactics for months to try to gain more control over the economy

more like you’re using fear tactics to smear obama & crew

just look at your AV

She is by far the largest waste of a human on this planet… possibly in existence.

and? couldn’t find a more edited version than 7 sec soundbite

Idiot alert

thanks for illustrating my point that you’re the one spreading fear tactics

You aren’t familiar with kinggovernor? All thoughout 2008 in DIACF, it was him and his liberal equivalent Tony Stark posting ludicrous articles with small truths to make overzealous arguments about the opposite side.

.

IT’S HOPE AND CHANGE NIGRA

Straying out of DIACF too?

I’m still ing about dilldoe calling me a right winger. I’m hurt
Newsweek talks about socialism like its a good thing

best vid ever

Real?
She’s still saying that? I thought she got railed on a couple weeks ago for saying that

It’s nancy pelosi, what do you expect?

Lis and half truths, nothing more

Please dear god tell me this is a joke.

This
I can’t stand Pelosi. It truly is doubly appropriate to say she has no balls.

And Reid is right behind her.

Looks real to me sadly

that disgusts me.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

-Winston Churchill

What the fuck…

to be fair, they do make a good point. The article mentions Hannity and some republican congressman talking about how Obama was going to bring Socialism to the US… but the republicans over the last 8 years have brought the largest expansion of entitlement and government programs… which is true.

Sadly, you can blame Obama, or you can blame Bush, but both parties have been working towards this goal, just the left is pandering to those who want it and the right is pandering to those who don’t.

I’m all for a complete overthrow of both parties at this point.

This deserves emphasis.

I blame both parties, I vote for neither unless I have a good reason to.

.

It took a joint effort to get us into this mess.
After the last 8yrs and into the first month of a new admin, it will take years for me to become happy and content with the political system once again (if ever).

I think it’s pretty funny that some people take so much issue with Obama’s tax plan and call it "socialist." It’s like people really listened and internalized the baseless complaints of the McCain campaign.

Hey, i don’t think the man is perfect, but calling the American tiered tax system socialist is the same as calling Bush’s, or McCain’s, or even Ron Paul’s tax ideas socialist. America has used this system for as long as any of you have been alive, and it won’t stop any time soon, regardless of which party gets elected. It only takes half a brain to understand that this is a Republican smear campaign aimed at the idiots and the fearful to garner votes for a past election.

wait, wat? I am leaps and bounds better than Tony Stark

newsweek = nbc = washington post = obama administration

I was hoping the cover was a photoshop, I’m so unhappy that it isn’t.

wtf…

bro, just look at your av
Obamas whole presidency is nothing but fear tactics on this shit right now. Pretty shitty considering democrats blasted bush and republicans for the same thing.

and?

it’s a visual cue as to why nobody around here takes you seriously

then why say anything? lets just always assume they will say exactly what should be said.

Yeah…right.

Are there even 500 million people in the U.S.A.?

no
I thought this thread was going to be about plastic surgery

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Another couple of months and job might have been done.

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Jesus fuck

was that Obama’s response? If not it should’ve been.

Moron should have his press pass revoked.

All the journalists are asking about the ecomomy, Iran, Israel/Palestine, Afghanistan….

Black guy gets up and asks about A-Rod

Yeah I’m sure that demographic was even tuned in….

I mean fuck, I’m not trying to be racist… but c’mon man

Polite ‘Yeah it’s a shame, baseball is being tarnished blah blah’ short canned response. You could tell he was kinda annoyed. Every other question he spent like 15 minutes answering. He spent about 2 on that one. What the hell else is gonna say

at the nerds on here can only see race in everything. It really is entertaining to see.
Going on primetime on all the networks only to be asked about that faggotry.
didn’t bush have a state of the union address where one of his key points was steroids in baseball?
atleast he didn’t say something like "what do you think about chris brown beating his girl rhiana?"

And our entire idiotic government held hearings about steroids in baseball - this honestly didn’t surprise me.

For reals. The question is just as stupid as if everyone involved was Asian.
Stupid question, but I fail to see why him being a black president has any bearing on that fact.

I was like , what a fucking dumbass

Of course. But it’s 2% funnier that he was black.

because no-one off the internet looks at race?

Because this has anything to do with race?

oh my bad, i read the guy as saying " only the nerds here see race in everything"

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Cliffs: Illegals can’t find work in US, 1 million messicans going back to mexico.

Sounds good to me. Go back to Mexico and use your own country as a whore.
Looks like you finally found the answer to you immigration problems, it only cost you a few trillion dollars too
In all seriousness though, I know a lot of people who live there legally and are seriously considering going back home, it sucks.
they better not follow me to europe when i get the fuck out of here, already got enough immigrants there

Yeah, basically.
Don’t worry. The ones who won’t work and just dump anchor babies will still want to stay.

FYI - those are NOT immigrants - they are illegal aliens.

Even better.
Seriously, I’m sick of these fuckers coming to America, taking away American jobs and using it as its little whore to save money and run back home.
i feel bad for those guys. hopefully obama will set up some sort of aid program for them

14 baby mom took it all from them.
Now that they are running out of work,what do they do all day?Drink?

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werd

Don’t give me that bullshit. That was supposedly the reason he kept Gates onboard, SO HE DIDN’T HAVE TO DELAY ANYTHING.

how much did you complain about this war the last 6 years? are you really going to bitch about it 3 weeks into a new presidency?

A lot actually.

get back to me a year or two

Ban bet right now. If Obama pulls the troops out of Iraq and brings them HOME (not to Afghanistan), I’ll be banned for a year.

i thought he had this all ready to go. you would think he would have thought about this before he opened up his mouth
THIS IS SHOCKING, DID NOT SEE THIS COMING AT ALL OR PREDICT IT OVER A YEAR AGO

YOU AIN’T MY BITCH, NGA

Nah he’ll just divert 30,000 troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, when he gets around to it, and start a new unprovoked war with Pakistan.

And if we’re lucky, he’ll cave in to Israel and start one with Iran as well.
ok so he pulls out and shit happens you bitch, he doesnt pull out you still bitch

WELP

If he pulls out, I’ll applaud him. But I know better.
Actually it says the decision is being delayed, not that there has been a delay.

Selective reading
Who cares? I’m extremely liberal, but we don’t know the security threats etc. That is all classified information. May as well let the boys who know what the fuck they’re talking about work it out.
i will lol my ass off when the $1 trillion TARP2 passes

man you are so deep in it

oh so now that obama is in the office this is ok with everyone?
also obama is set to increase total number of US troops

we’re so fucked
first he kept changing his stance on taxes and now this lol

another politician lying out of his ass

Even though you’re sucking Pepsi’s dick.
well what a surprise. Bush was right, and none of you liberals want to admit it

I’m loving it
There goes Obama again…extending the war to benefit the US military complex and their subcontractors.

seriously, i bet nobody even read it

but yeah, now that obama is president, he has access to a lot more information that wasnt available before. he is just saying ‘ok lets wait until we factor everything in, then find the best way to go about getting the troops out’

some of you are so dumb it makes me sad

amazing that a Republicrat would do such a thing

says the guy who believes in UFOs

lol @ your ignorance

its a pretty internationally established facts that ufo’s are real… the only question is where are they coming from

have you seen one?

wait wait wait

you mean a crooked politician said what people wanted to hear to get elected knowing he had no intention on actually following through with his plan?

hope and change nigga! hope and change!

i voted for barr

why are you falling for his trap?

Just one of the many lies he told the American public to get elected.

Plus the price of gas is up to help make his buddies in the oil bidness rich.

so what else is new. people get fooled into electing another scumbag, because are so fucking stupid

hook, line, sinker

Will be above 2 dollars a gallon across the country next week. Gotta fuck over the country some more, and put them in enough despair to make them beg for the Stimulus package to bail out Geithner’s buddies.

The kids have control of the school.

.

did you vote?

yes

The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Bush actually made money because he knew how things work.

The man is president for less than 3 weeks, and already the conservatives are complaining. We can’t know ANYTHING about what Obama is about until at least 6 months. We gave Bush the same, so let the man try and do his job without you critiquing it. You’re actually arguing that considering the stability of an entire region is a bad thing?

This is quite possibly the stupidest statement ever uttered on OT. We are in more debt under Bush than ever before in this country. There is no way you can possibly argue that Bush made money.

again you’re automatically a evil conservative if you question Obama. this is why i hate democrats so much more then republicans

For himself.

You must have missed all the threads about how Obama was going to draw down troops immediately upon taking office.

My fault, I was about to say though…

for who?

I am a moderate democrat. I’m conservative on some issues, liberal on others. Anyone actually thinking that Obama would begin to remove troops "immediately" without first talking to major leaders in the area along with high ranking brass is either delusional, or is seeing too much into the man. Sadly, I fear it’s a combination of both. We need to get out of Iraq definitely, but we need to do it such that we don’t end up leaving a gaping hole in the area. It’s kind of like a table with 3 legs right now. We can’t just rip out the last leg otherwise it’ll fall. However, if we take our time and slowly remove it, it’ll stay balanced on its own until someone can fix it aka Iraq gets its government together.

Ron Paul

i know what you’re gonna say i wasted my vote

as well as the youtube video i posted on pg 2 of those words coming out of Obama’s mouth

IBargumentsaboutwhat"immediately"means

only votes for Republicrats are wasted votes

I voted for Nader

Nader is good 2

Ron Paul is bashing Obama’s policies now
Ill be working on my new book.
The Obama Presidency: from Hope and Change, to Gloom and Doom.

Yes We Can –> Catastrophe

Proving me right. 3 weeks in and although NOTHING has even changed, people are saying he’s a failure. You’re (general term) even arguing that BECAUSE nothing has changed in 3 weeks that he’s a failure.

that’s a lil too soon

Im talking about the way he is talking about everything. Since he has been in, he has been more grim when he is talking about the state of everything. His biggest enemy right now is the media constantly hyping (yes even though its bad) the state of the economy and himself for not trying to be more upbeat to the public, giving hope. Instead he is using fear to drive his policy out of the gate saying its going to be a "Catastrophe".
we keep electing Republicrats and we keep getting fucked

will we ever learn?

No, because I wrote him in too. I just wouldn’t have taken your post seriously if you’d voted for McCain. I don’t think people were fooled into voting for Obama. I think that people have disregarded the Constitution and are voting for the person that will benefit them the most, rather than the person who will do what benefits the country the most.

he said over the course of 16 months, not 3 weeks.

watch the video again

exactly and McCain wasn’t a horrible choice, it was Palin that fucked it up

if he had Paul or even Romney as his VP then i would consider voting for McCain
mccain was a horrible choice

obama was a horrible choice

What I’m tired of is the media making him out to be some godsend, then trying to stifle the opposition. There was no way a republican would have won this election this year, media or not, but now, it’s getting to be too much. They are portraying the conservative republican opinion as negative and an affront to the Obama policy. That’s the entire fucking point of having fucking parties, so that one group’s agenda cannot take precedence every time.

I am not a huge fan of strong conservatives, but I’m even less a fan of strong liberals. Stubbornness and anti-responsibility are both hopeless in my book, but there’s got to be both in order for there to be any stability. What the conservatives are doing with his stimulus package is good in theory. I say in theory because I get the distinct impression that many merely don’t want to pass it because it gives Obama too much power even though it could greatly help the economy. That’s the way things have to be, and it’s exactly why I’m a moderate.
paul couldn’t be VP hell they wouldn’t even let him speak at the convention

yea no shit. that kinda shit drove me away from the republican party

"I will immediately BEGIN to remove…." a brigade at a time, over the course of 16 months. Not "immediately remove." I’m not an Obama apologist, but you have to at least be reasonable.

has he immediately began to remove?

The Republicans brought this on themselves. It was entirely avoidable.

That absolutely pissed me off how they treated him.

the US isn’t a premature ejaculator like yourself… se we’re not pulling out until the job is completely done
To those dumbasses who believed Obama…. and I sure hope there wasn’t a lot of you…. feel free to search my old posts as far back as OT has them….

It didn’t take a lot of political knowledge to know that it was BS.

what job is that exactly?

It’s been 3 fucking weeks, man. Don’t you think that there might be some important information that the CIA/military might want to tell the brand new president before making huge tactical decisions? Maybe a few discussions with world leaders? There are probably a ton of things that are kept from candidates until they are sworn in. Regardless, they are drawing up plans, starting with his first week in office.

whatever ‘jobs’ we can find over there to do so that companies with military contracts get more money and the politicians get their cut

werd on that

as predicted, we are now arguing over the meaning of the word "immediately"

so why did he promise "immediately" when he was seeking office?

did he not realize he needed to consult with all these people? was he prevented from doing so when he was the President-elect?

did he know when he said "immediately" that it would not be possible?

why lie if you don’t have to?

palin and him saying that the government would buy up all mortgages if he won

I’d still call that IMMEDIATELY BEGINNING TO do something.
man, republicans are looking for anything to put on obamas table. LOL

He sure did, he new his company was failing, so he sold his shares two weeks before it declared bankruptcy, and got out with all his money, while the other shareholders all lost theirs.

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Sadly, that’s true.

He wasn’t American. He was German-Egyptian and has lived in Egypt for years.

Way to talk about shit you have no fucking clue about

fixed.

it was the AUC reference that threw me.

point still stands.

He was still raised in Egypt.

sucks for him

Cool. Do you have any other useless shit that you want to add to this thread?

was he smuggling items into gaza?

No, he was not.

And the reason he was arrested had nothing to do with the peaceful protest march either.

It has to do with he being a journalist that is opposed to the ruling regime. There have been no official charges filed against him and last night the police raided his family’s homes.

But please, continue to excuse the oppressive regime.

then he should have known the rules

obviously he was according to someone

It amazes me when ’small government’ ‘conservatives’ excuse governmental abuses

I am not excusing anything, its just dumb to go against a tyrannical government unless you are going to fight back
On the one hand, it certainly sucks for him, and yeah, Egypt is oppressive.

On the other hand, I have a hard time believing that he was somehow surprised by this. He had to have known what he was getting into.

The Egyptian government/police is full of idiots, but those who think they’re home laws apply to them abroad are even more idiotic.

you’re sure? because "I’m illegally smuggling items into gaza" isn’t the kind of thing someone puts in his christmas family newsletter.

Right. It may have had to do with the items he was smuggling into gaza

Raided? The other organizer of the march didn’t say raided.

Who is excusing them? My money’s on "both sides are in the wrong" but you’re friends with the guy so you won’t see his involvement.

Why would he be in the wrong for anything?

way to be blinded

He wasn’t smuggling anything.

THIS is why he is being held secretly. Not because he was smuggling anything.

how do you know?

ahh, he hasn’t been charged so that means he must not have been smuggling

There are numerous news pieces about this story. None except the one I posted in the first post say anything about smuggling. Please keep on being a faggot.

tone down teh disrespect bro. you don’t want to hurt his vagina, it will get you a nasty email from an smod.

you got a nasty email from an smod because after asking you 7 times to post by the rules you said "i won’t abide by whatever imaginary set of rules you and your worthless ilk have implemented." maybe you think that makes you a hero to the cause but really all it makes you is a dumbass.
i love it when morons act up in notoriously oppressive countries and then expect western style rights.
lew,

his family deserves answers, I’ll give you that. it’s crap that anyone in any country can be taken by the police and just disappeared. but like tizanabi said, if you live somewhere that doesn’t have western rights then holding a sign that says "I hate the govt" is going to catch a lot of breeze.

Fair enough. But why should our tax dollars go to a country that engages in such practices?

we basically pay them to stay at peace with israel.

i love israel but what a stupid reason. they should let them try to build up, attack israel, and get annihilated again
Very sad, but not unexpected. People in democratic countries (using that term loosely) don’t realize how good they have it.
Sorry to hear about your wifes’ friend. Hopefully they will simply release him, the idea of the detainment being to send a message hopefully.

Everyone bashing Egypt needs to keep in mind they have a huge problem with Islamic fundamentalists. Does not excuse the actions of the government, but at least it puts a face on what is happening.
oh and how are they secret police if we know who took your friend?

Egyptians
yo, leb, did you enjoy that phone call i posted last night?

It was hilarious

But the Israeli’s arabic was actually rather good, I was really impressed.

yea man, taught by druze.

The guy Ahamds voice cracked me up :ghazzzaaaah:

then the whole irony of the situation was toooo much to hold in.

for a while I thought Ahmad was the Israeli
"they also have women within the irhabeyeen… tzipi livni"

I think Ahmad is actually Lebanese.

It’s possible, I’m horrible when it comes to accents. I don’t even have a proper lebanese accent myself. When I went to Lebanon 10 years ago () people thought I was Armenian

BRO! Im dying to go back to Quebec. I had such a good time there in like 2003. Went to this place called baba kabab

but the upstairs was a lounge/club full of leb cuties. I need to go back. The arabi clubs in NYC arnt that great.

It always amazes me when people show a profound lack of tact and compassion and seem to think that’s something to be proud of.

god damn you’re dumb.

1) 7 times?

2) you ran to the smods with some bullshit lies about how i can’t stay away from ontopic (what a crock of shit, just look at my post history there) and how i referred to all the mods as being shitty, when in fact, i only referred to you as a shit mod

3) you’re a big gaping vagina with thin skin. you can dish it out, but when it’s served back you try to hide behind your status as a moderator. when that fails, you run to your friends and attempt to get me banned.

4) hero to the cause? what hero and what fucking cause are you talking about?

5) you mad dumb son.

I’m guessing you went to Montreal? Cote Vertu is basically a mini Lebanon

At the end of the day, we don’t really care about human rights in other countries. National security interests and whatnot will trump that almost every time.

Even if we did care, we use aid to other countries to influence them. Or prop up the governments we want. After all, they could be a lot worse on the human rights front than they are.

But really, human rights has little to do with why we send money to them.

It’s sad because I always considered him to be one of the smarter posters in OnTopic. Now that I’ve seen a few of his posts in DIAC I’ve changed my mind

dot

At the end of the day, every country will put its own interests above everything else.

yea, we were right near McGill.

I need to go back when its a bit warmer.

i never thought that highly of him. while i don’t agree with people like joe_cool, i would at least concede he’s not dumb.

7960 is a complete fuck up in every sense of the word. i weep for his children.
Every single one of you would be quick to jump on their case if this had happened in Iran. But since Egypt is a US ally, you’re quick to condone it.

If you’re going to lie about it I’m going to call you on it. I didn’t say you can’t stay away from on topic, I said you wouldn’t stop posting shit and were proud of the fact that you weren’t going to "abide by whatever imaginary set of rules" in the forum. you being a massive ass is what what kicked it all off, not me.

I can take it as well as anyone. What’s funny is you post (paraphrased) "I disagree you dumbfuck redneck piece of shit" and I deleted it and send you a PM telling you "if you’re not going to post within the rules then don’t hit reply" and apparently you think I deleted it because you disagreed .

I don’t give a shit if you agree or disagree with me. Every day there are posts that disagree with my view. The ones that don’t break the rules are still there. And every day there are plenty of posts that agree with me that break the rules and get deleted. Doesn’t bother me a bit. If you want to post within the rules you’re more than welcome to post in on topic. If you want to be a dick then post somewhere else.

I don’t think anyone condoned it. At most people just don’t care. And shit like this does happen in Iran constantly, but hardly any threads are made since it is a given that Iran is pretty much a piece of shit.

You’re right, condoned was too strong a word. You can at least agree that had the name of the country been different, the comments would have been much more severe.

Yup. I won’t argue against that.

a direct quote from you

From his other deleted posts and now this PM he obviously doesn’t like the forum but can’t keep himself away.

again, you blatantly lied about my not being able to stay away, when in fact my post history shows i had minimal involvement in ontopic in recent months. but please, go ahead and call me out on my lies, when in fact i’m using your own words.

furthermore, way to provide context there, dumbshit. you conviniently left out the first portion of my message, which stated since there is obviously no form of decorum in on topic (as was evident by a moderator of the same forum trolling another member) i shouldn’t be held to a set of arbitrary made up rules. if you still don’t like it, you can go crying to your smod friends like a butthurt bitch.

i knew full well i was going against the rules, and it had nothing to do with a disagreement. i don’t know how much simpler i can make this, you imbecile: i didn’t knock it off because others were doing the same, if not worse. i won’t be held to a set of rules not enforced across the board.

i wasn’t aware that being a dick is a deal breaker now. if such is the case, maybe you should take a look in the mirror before whining about the behavior of others, oh wise and grand moderator of on topic.

and by the way, i’m still waiting for your explanation of how i’m somehow a "hero for the cause"? is this yet another made up fantasy in that head of yours that’s managed to manifest itself into the real world?

it’s not a blatant lie to say you can’t keep yourself away when you’re breaking the rules and say you refuse to abide by the rules.

if you’re not going to post within the rules then don’t post. if you want to post then stay within the rules. if you continue to break the rules then apparently you can’t keep yourself away……….. I’m surprised I had to explain that, even my 4th graders would have gotten it.

they’re not arbitrary made up rules. everyone follows them or their posts get deleted. hell, I even deleted one of joe_cool’s posts and I know he’s deleted a few of mine. nobody’s perfect and sometimes it takes a different set of eyes to be more objective, but eventually it all get straightened out.

your posts were deleted, others’ posts were deleted. the rules were and are enforced across the forum. you just don’t think so because you only saw that your posts were gone. cry some more.

ooh, I’m injured.

in on topic, being a dick is a deal breaker.

In that case, I guess I have to say:

Does he have the right to be a douchebag and agitate for an open border with a terrorist organization? Sure.
Should he have known that Egypt doesn’t respect that right? Yes.

This may be the first time I’ve ever agreed with you.

jesus christ, split some more hairs in a desperate ploy to not appear like a complete idiot.

keep crying

you’re just pussyhurt that i wouldn’t bow at your feet.

yeah, that pussyfication of the american thread is evident that everyone follows rules

well wooptie fucking doo. let me get you a cookie for doing your god damn job correctly

i’m not crying, i’m merely insulting your intelligence and ability to do your duties as a moderator. don’t like it? go cry to yuor smod friends again, bitch.

what a complete crock of shit. people have been acting liek dicks in that forum ever since main became sub only. furthermore, you and joe act like complete dicks whenever you like and you’re going to tell ME that acting out is a deal breaker? oookay. it would have some merit if it came from emfuser, but it doesn’t mean a god damn thing coming from an idiot like you

Hey so what’s your take on the Egyptian police?
lew, while I sympathize, you said yourself that he’s a journalist opposed to the regime.

isn’t this illegal in Egypt? I’m not saying I agree with the Egyptian’s governments decisions but Egypt is a sovereign country- if you go there, you run the risk of things like this imo.

No, it isn’t. That’s the entire point. Egypt is supposedly a shining bastion of democracy in the Arab world. They are supposed to have free elections, freedom of speech, etc. But in reality, they do not.

are you serious???

everyone knows it’s a defacto dictatorship.

I love them and commend the professionalism and sense of duty to their fellow man that they exhibit everyday. Especially to fellow Egyptians. Keep up the good work men!

Stick around. You might just find your not as dumb as you think I think you are.

I think. Fuck.

Sure you’re not thinking of somewhere else? Personally I’ve never thought that of Egypt.
Oh because no one has said it:
RELIGION OF PEACE.

Unfortunately, what do you expect to happen? Fuck Egypt. Fuck all those countries. Why we deal with back water barbarians is beyond me.

These are the type of people who have no clue about the countries they visit and automatically assume that those countries will play by American rules.

I was wrong, he’s not american. But like someone pointed out already, living in egypt he knew the rules they operate by.

The US pays Egypt to carry out Israels blockade of Gaza.
Mubarak is America’s puppet.

Hey…that’s where we go to get our torture on!

It’s all part of the ‘rent a dictator’ service.

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oh yeah that dot com thing had everything to do with clinton huh

Sure, as long as he did all of that and created a surplus.
you really think obama can figure out how to pay off 10+ trillion dollars in 4 years?

I would say it was all bush’s policies that made it possible
I like having a black president, I get to place the race card.

"Racism is over, the president is black, I can say nigger anytime I want."
obama will have to start taxing babies that aren’t even born yet

…while spending trillions more

He didn’t say pay it off, he said pay it down.
I doubt fiscal and social conservatives will vote for Obama as he is basically growing government and extending its authority into the private sector. He is also to the left on a lot of issues that social conservatives wouldn’t be able to continue to vote for. Finally, Republicans would spin the economic recovery to their advantage and claim their emphasis on tax cuts, mortgage rescue, and small business growth was what really brought the economy out of a recession
I’ll tell you who I’m voting for AFTER these 4 years, I’m not saying im voting for someone whose been in office for under a month.

well then, now that you’ve specified that, a yearly budget surplus would be different. though it’s definitely not happening.

stick to the parameters of the poll if you plan on voting.

let’s pretend

ok, so if we are merely talking about balancing the budget, no, i will not vote obama back into office. i will vote in someone who can do even better than that.

he could be hitler for all anyone would know, and would still be able to balance the budget. it’s hardly the main issue here.
I’m more confident that Bruce Willis will land on an asteroid and blow it
up before it destroys the earth
if some how this shitty looking thingg works. i would almost gaurentee that he is back in

who said he can?
wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which one fills up first.

balanced the budget and rebounded the economy. Americans are rich again. Middle class once more exists.

economy on its feet again seemed to suggest that.

as an individual are you better off with debt and a job or no debt and a job?

economy on its feet = budget surplus, low unemployment, good quality of life for the middle class, US still a world economic power. Value of the dollar is on par with the euro.

don’t be so pissy
Depends on too many factors. I’m not a one-issue voter except on stuff like the PATRIOT Act.
He still has plenty of time to make some major fuckups. Give him time.

this will never happen

u mad

let’s shit in one hand and wish in the other

the economy will recover eventually, regardless of obama’s actions, so no, i still prefer liberty over collectivism

you should be

Dude don’t you know that Al Gore invented the internet, that is why he was vice president. The Clinton Administration had everything to do with the dot com boom.
Impossible.

I’ll be voting for Ron Paul in 4 years.

i shit 2 or 3 times a day and don’t wish for anything

troll your boat

and if Palin gets the nomination? Will she not tolerate liberal bullshit? Or will she get sent to the shithouse like she did last election?

says the used car salesman

that existed in 2004, did you vote for Bush ?

of course not, you disagree with his politics.

i don’t "disagree with his politics" i disagreed with the iraq war, and i recognized the bubble for what it was. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, i just want to know where people stand. Hence the thread.

well, in that case then no, because it’s an impossibility for me to vote for him "again" since I didn’t vote for him the first time
Give me a break, Obama would have to fuck up ROYALLY to not get re-elected in 4 years.

lol wat

Obama will never pay down the national debt as long as he have a massive military budget and expansionist foreign policy

why can’t the US gov’t just loan itself $10 trillion to pay off the debt?

The economy is only one issue, bro. He’s still a faggot with every other issue.

we wouldnt be able to say that anything in the stimulus caused a turn around.

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