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Of that total, $881,450, or 73 percent, came after June 15. McCain announced his position in favor of offshore drilling on June 16. |
people donate to the candidate who they think is going to help them keep their jobs? shocking. next you’re going to tell me auto workers donate to protectionists.
telecom donations to obama after flip flopping on warrantless wiretapping and immunity
Link? This sounds good.
I am sure McCain has flipflopped on some issues, but you look like a noobtard when you overuse this word. It is idiots who accuse people of flip flopping that are part of the problem.
There are a lot of factors to consider when making a decision. Some of those factors may change and thresholds may be crossed. Everything is not as black and white as "yes" and "no".
People are free to change their minds based on new information and changing circumstances.
To be fair, it looks like the numbers skyrocket right about the time he became the presumptive republican nominee…
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I am sure McCain has flipflopped on some issues, but you look like a noobtard when you overuse this word. It is idiots who accuse people of flip flopping that are part of the problem.
There are a lot of factors to consider when making a decision. Some of those factors may change and thresholds may be crossed. Everything is not as black and white as "yes" and "no". People are free to change their minds based on new information and changing circumstances. |
I’m fine with flip flops that come because the person himself changed his position, McCain on the other hand flip flopped the same day the Republican Party issued the change in their policy. I think it was like 2 hours between his and Bush’s announcement
a politician taking the party line on an issue… SHOCKING
yeah, he definitely knew about and appreciated bush announcing a policy the same day he did
wow a republican candidate gets money from oil companies
…and the Dems don’t?
How many Republicans in Congress own oil companies? The Kennedys own several.
i like how the graph is over 20 fucking years, as if donation totals in 1990 are at all relevant
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nice graph there
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…and the Dems don’t?
How many Republicans in Congress own oil companies? The Kennedys own several. |
im not arguing, simply asking what the big deal is.
i like how you post about the length of the graph, as if that’s at all relevent
It’s completely relevant.
You’re comparing donations between years when McCain was "just" a senator and years when he might be/is the presumptive republican nominee.
If you graph his donations from ANY industry (including the scrapbooking lobby, I’m guessing) over twenty years they’ll ALL jump after he begins to look like a potential president.
If the intent of this graph is to demonstrate McCains "collusion" with big oil it needs to be on a shorter timeline in order to document the jump after his flip-flop.
This graph simply shows an increase in donations to a candidate that goes from being one of 100 senators to one of one republican candidates.
It takes a pretty serious moron to think that companies increasing donations to an individual after they become a presidential candidate shows anything but common sense on the part of those firms.
However…. on a shorter time scale it might show just that if big oil, and only big oil, showed a radical jump in donations after June 16th. But, since the graph covers 18 years, it doesn’t have enough detail to show us whether or not that’s the case.
So, to get back to where we started, the length of time the graph covers is extremely relevant.
you idiot
There is a difference between ‘flip flopping’ and changing your position. If you are changing your position not because you necessarily agree, but strictly for political gain in determining which position is the best for your chances of winning based on location, your political party…etc, then you’re ‘flip flopping.’
If gas is now well over $ 4.00 a gallon, and it affects the logic of your position, then you’re simply changing your position based on the current situation. I think that is a good quality in a politician.
As a compassionate Conservative I am not a big fan of McCain, and I do believe he has flip flopped on several issues, but he is far better than the other option. But that’s a whole ‘nother debate.
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It’s completely relevant.
You’re comparing donations between years when McCain was "just" a senator and years when he might be/is the presumptive republican nominee. If you graph his donations from ANY industry (including the scrapbooking lobby, I’m guessing) over twenty years they’ll ALL jump after he begins to look like a potential president. If the intent of this graph is to demonstrate McCains "collusion" with big oil it needs to be on a shorter timeline in order to document the jump after his flip-flop. This graph simply shows an increase in donations to a candidate that goes from being one of 100 senators to one of one republican candidates. It takes a pretty serious moron to think that companies increasing donations to an individual after they become a presidential candidate shows anything but common sense on the part of those firms. However…. on a shorter time scale it might show just that if big oil, and only big oil, showed a radical jump in donations after June 16th. But, since the graph covers 18 years, it doesn’t have enough detail to show us whether or not that’s the case. So, to get back to where we started, the length of time the graph covers is extremely relevant. |
The key point is in the quote above the graph:
Of that total, $881,450, or 73 percent, came after June 15. McCain announced his position in favor of offshore drilling on June 16.
Yes the graph is pointless. The only thing meaningful in OP was that little tidbit. Take that for what you will
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The key point is in the quote above the graph:
Of that total, $881,450, or 73 percent, came after June 15. McCain announced his position in favor of offshore drilling on June 16. |
Then provide the tidbit and the graph to prove it, not a graph comparing donations during a presidential election to donations during a senate election.
The American system is work. Isn’t it a beautiful form of democracy?
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It’s completely relevant.
You’re comparing donations between years when McCain was "just" a senator and years when he might be/is the presumptive republican nominee. If you graph his donations from ANY industry (including the scrapbooking lobby, I’m guessing) over twenty years they’ll ALL jump after he begins to look like a potential president. If the intent of this graph is to demonstrate McCains "collusion" with big oil it needs to be on a shorter timeline in order to document the jump after his flip-flop. This graph simply shows an increase in donations to a candidate that goes from being one of 100 senators to one of one republican candidates. It takes a pretty serious moron to think that companies increasing donations to an individual after they become a presidential candidate shows anything but common sense on the part of those firms. However…. on a shorter time scale it might show just that if big oil, and only big oil, showed a radical jump in donations after June 16th. But, since the graph covers 18 years, it doesn’t have enough detail to show us whether or not that’s the case. So, to get back to where we started, the length of time the graph covers is extremely relevant. |
i believe I was the first to mention that the spike correlated with his becoming the presumptive nominee. adding history to a graph is rarely a bad thing.
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