On September 10th, Scientists in Switzerland will turn on a particle accelerator larger than the city of Geneva. It will smash atoms together at near the speed of light. The experiment is intended to reveal the secrets of the Big Bang.
It made front page news on the Fox News website.
Some fear that it will create strangelets or black holes that may swallow the Earth. Others say nothing will happen.
I think nothing will happen. But if the Earth’s to be swallowed by a black hole, I’d like to see it. It’s a win win.
Who fears this? Are we talking about actual scientists who have doctorates in the field or lay people having no background subatomic physics?
Pysicist Walter Wagner has been outspoken about this. Here is his site which is dedicated to stopping the tests:
The European Organization for Nuclear Research has countered by saying that the experiment will be safe. They support the tests:
the latter.
It looks like the future of science is here quicker than I thought. I just hope that we proceed into this future cautiously.
How ridiculous. Clearly the thousands of scientists and experts in the field don’t think it will destroy the earth.. otherwise they wouldn’t be building/using it. The chance of it making a black hole at all is very slim. And if it does, it would be absolutely tiny and last for a fraction of a second.
The thing is absolutely amazing - a true feat of human ingenuity and engineering. The sheer size of the thing is simply staggering but it is also incredibly delicate and accurate at the same time.
Did you know that two protons colliding from the LHC will impact with the same force as two aircraft carriers colliding at 12 mph? Absolutely insane!
I’m not sure if this link will work for you guys outside the UK but here it is anyway:
This is very informative and easy to understand
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I’m not sure if this link will work for you guys outside the UK but here it is anyway:
This is very informative and easy to understand |
link no good for U.S.
The results will contradict current mainstream theories, so they will patch up their theories duct-tape style to match the findings and continue repeating the popular theories and cry for more funding.
A travesty of science if that’s the case.
But this isn’t some small-fry project. It’s HUGE. There are thousands of scientists working on it. Can you really cook the numbers with that many people there.
There isn’t a sound theory that would cause a gravitational field large enough to impact the earth. We’re dealing with subatomic particles of such mass that they would have to contain unimaginable amounts of energy to even have a noticeable effect. However, I’m still just an engineering maj physics min student, I don’t know shit yet
As do I. It’s shit like this that even though he was merely a writer, people like Orsen Wells and Asimov predicted a century ago. We decide to tamper with shit that we don’t actually understand, and the consequences are grave. However, I love science, so I’m game to see an event horizon in my back yard before I die
I have heard reports on this as well, but there is no way the blackholes would be large enough or last long enough to become self-sustaining.
That is assuming of course that they would even be created in the first place.
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I have heard reports on this as well, but there is no way the blackholes would be large enough or last long enough to become self-sustaining.
That is assuming of course that they would even be created in the first place. |
BBC did a special on this. Here is the video. The fear aspect put in this video is that the experiment will form a "strangelet." This strangelet will start out small but will feed on outside matter making itself much larger. Again, this is done with much dramatization. But it is still an interesting video. It actually shows the possible worst case scenario result of the test.
That was a little science joke that you apparently didn’t like
Oh. Haha.
I know, it wasn’t funny
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How ridiculous. Clearly the thousands of scientists and experts in the field don’t think it will destroy the earth.. otherwise they wouldn’t be building/using it. The chance of it making a black hole at all is very slim. And if it does, it would be absolutely tiny and last for a fraction of a second.
The thing is absolutely amazing - a true feat of human ingenuity and engineering. The sheer size of the thing is simply staggering but it is also incredibly delicate and accurate at the same time. Did you know that two protons colliding from the LHC will impact with the same force as two aircraft carriers colliding at 12 mph? Absolutely insane! |
Science can be dark. Not all science is done for the good. Many times they do things in the name of science, to see if it is possible.
I don’t know if the black hole theory is possible or not. If it was possible, they still probably wouldn’t stop their testing and the second they do create a black hole, our solar system is gone… Notice his last sentence said "the energy from these microscopic black holes wouldnt even light a lightbulb." Scary stuff.
This is another concern people have brought up. When they turn it on initially nothing may happen for the first couple of days, weeks, months, or even years. Eventually, however, there may be some long-term fallout from the experiment.
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How ridiculous. Clearly the thousands of scientists and experts in the field don’t think it will destroy the earth.. otherwise they wouldn’t be building/using it. The chance of it making a black hole at all is very slim. And if it does, it would be absolutely tiny and last for a fraction of a second.
The thing is absolutely amazing - a true feat of human ingenuity and engineering. The sheer size of the thing is simply staggering but it is also incredibly delicate and accurate at the same time. Did you know that two protons colliding from the LHC will impact with the same force as two aircraft carriers colliding at 12 mph? Absolutely insane! |
Those two calculations, if accurate, cannot be compared. Colliding atoms and colliding macroscopic particles can’t be related to one another. For example, a rough comparison can be made if you think that the force of a penny landing from 5mm onto your finger is the same force that could crush a mosquito. Dropping a penny from almost no distance onto your hand doesn’t seem impressive until you think about it in relation go an object with a similar size and mass. The fact that those aircraft carrier’s force is so great, just imagine the things that would happen colliding two particles with such small mass.
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I have heard reports on this as well, but there is no way the blackholes would be large enough or last long enough to become self-sustaining.
That is assuming of course that they would even be created in the first place. |
And it is also assuming that our theories on black holes are more accurate than not.
I guess we’ll find out on September 10th.
Just imagine that Einstein is actually wrong or even worse, off by a factor that we cannot predict
Possibly. Imagine a microscopic blackhole that doesn’t die. It eventually sucks up more and more mass until it grows into something dangerous. Let’s say that there is a .0001% chance we destroy our solar system. Would the test be worth it? I say not.
Then again, I am quite ignorant to the issues here.
IIRC, physicists have either created micro black holes or otherwise ultra dense "mass vacuums" just over planck mass. Thought I read it in Scientific American last year.
very nice of them to do that without my permission.
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Possibly. Imagine a microscopic blackhole that doesn’t die. It eventually sucks up more and more mass until it grows into something dangerous. Let’s say that there is a .0001% chance we destroy our solar system. Would the test be worth it? I say not.
Then again, I am quite ignorant to the issues here. |
there’s a nonzero chance that all the air molecules in the room you’re in will randomly all go to the other side of the room, leaving you unable to breathe.
you better get the fuck out of there, bro.
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there’s a nonzero chance that all the air molecules in the room you’re in will randomly all go to the other side of the room, leaving you unable to breathe.
you better get the fuck out of there, bro. |
Been studying energy probability distributions, eh?
Sorry, I didn’t mean the "force." I mean the energy given out between two protons at 99.99999% the speed of light and two aircraft carriers at 12mph is the same.
E = 0.5 x mass x velocity^2, right?
The protons don’t have the sure but they sure as hell have the velocity
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Possibly. Imagine a microscopic blackhole that doesn’t die. It eventually sucks up more and more mass until it grows into something dangerous. Let’s say that there is a .0001% chance we destroy our solar system. Would the test be worth it? I say not.
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Particles from space hit the earth every day travelling WAY faster than what we will be able to acheive in the LHC. The only difference is that we don’t have huge capturing facilities to intercept those particles.
One of the leading scientists called the LHC "a pea shooter" in comparison to good old mother nature.
And yeah, as Rory said there’s a chance of ANYTHING. Like there’s a chance you could fall right through your chair right now if the electrostatic force between atoms lines up a particular way. But due to sheer numbers and their randomness, it won’t happen although you can’t say it with 100% probability.
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Sorry, I didn’t mean the "force." I mean the energy given out between two protons at 99.99999% the speed of light and two aircraft carriers at 12mph is the same.
E = 0.5 x mass x velocity^2, right? The protons don’t have the sure but they sure as hell have the velocity |
Well, all that kinetic energy is is the integration of the dot product of the force and the object’s change in position, so essentially, the force of the object is the derivative of the energy with respect to time. More plainly, take your energy, divide it by the distance something traveled and that’s your force.
I see.
We’ll find out if you’re right within the next 72 hours.
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Particles from space hit the earth every day travelling WAY faster than what we will be able to acheive in the LHC. The only difference is that we don’t have huge capturing facilities to intercept those particles.
One of the leading scientists called the LHC "a pea shooter" in comparison to good old mother nature. And yeah, as Rory said there’s a chance of ANYTHING. Like there’s a chance you could fall right through your chair right now if the electrostatic force between atoms lines up a particular way. But due to sheer numbers and their randomness, it won’t happen although you can’t say it with 100% probability. |
The fact is, they don’t know what will happen. They are uncertain what will happen. This is why they need to do the tests.
The guy stated in his last sentence that there would be microscopic black holes.
Next year they will do tests at much faster speeds. What will their next project be?
The chances that you mention that something happen to me are not preventable. This is preventable. Yes the chances are slim, but I’ve also been dealt two royal flushes in one night.
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I see.
We’ll find out if you’re right within the next 72 hours. |
Anyone who has taken high school physics knows I’m right, what is there to dispute?
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The fact is, they don’t know what will happen. They are uncertain what will happen. This is why they need to do the tests.
The guy stated in his last sentence that there would be microscopic black holes. Next year they will do tests at much faster speeds. What will their next project be? The chances that you mention that something happen to me are not preventable. This is preventable. Yes the chances are slim, but I’ve also been dealt two royal flushes in one night. |
The chances of this experiment producing a life altering black hole are less than the probability that your windshield’s molecules will align perfectly to allow a drop of rainwater to pass right through it.
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The fact is, they don’t know what will happen. This is why they need to do the tests.
Next year they will do tests at much faster speeds. What will their next project be? |
Still not even a tiny fraction of what mother nature hits us with every day. Stuff is hitting us at the speed of light every millisecond. Right now there are particles travelling through you at the speed of light.
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The guy stated in his last sentence that there would be microscopic black holes. |
The scientist I saw interviewed, who was spokesperson for the project in the UK said that is was a ridiculously small chance of getting even one black hole.
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The chances that you mention that something happen to me are not preventable. This is preventable. |
You don’t strike me as someone paranoid or scared of taking risk. Sure, we don’t KNOW what will happen but - nothing ventured; nothing gained. This could be amazing and allow us to finally understand why things have gravity and shed more light onto the creation of the universe.. it’s amazing and a huge leap forwards in human knowledge. For a such a tiny chance, it’s worth it IMO.
I’m not disputing anything. The blue smiley face is to signify that your knowledge of physics and engineering is many times greater than mine. I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. I am sure you are better at understanding this than me.
All I stated were the relationships between energy and force. I have no fucking idea what the hell this collider will do, although I know the probabilities of it spawning a self sufficient black hole are lower than you freezing your water and it getting hotter.
Are the "near light speed" tests going to be done on the 10th of September or is that not until sometime later on?
I understand
That’s what scares me.
As I have stated before, I am very ignorant of the topic at hand. Based on provided information, it sounds like that knowledge is not worth the uncertain risks. If I were more knowledgable of the topic, I might have a different opinion. How many of us really know anything other than what we read? I would have to research microscopic black holes before I give this a thumbs up.
Nothing ventured; nothing gained is better than Something ventured, something lost.
Yes, I agree it would be nice to learn how the results of what they do applies to our knowledge of how the universe works.
Definitely not. I would guess that anything even near something to the power of 6 meters per second, with c (speed of light) being to the power of 8 won’t be done for quite some time.
But then again, I’m still a student learning about this shit and don’t even know wtf a deSitter space transition or strangelet or wte the fuck they were talking about is.
its amazing that FOX spent the time making that simulation
lol, I took enough math and physics classes to get a minor in math, yet I don’t even know half of what they are talking about. Then again, college was a while back for me.
I posted a video of a BBC Special on this experiment a few posts back in this thread. In the video, the experiment goes horribly wrong. The pipes explode. A "strangelet" forms. The strangelet devours protesters outside the lab. Then it continues to grow larger and larger as it sucks up more matter. It was a very creepy video. Then they cut to a scene of a scientist saying, "This would make for good science fiction." He was referring to his belief that there would be no real chance of a disaster like in the BBC Special happening in real life.
More like mid october. They fibure 4-8 weeks to get it aimed right.
That would be pretty badass to see…until it gets to my neighborhood. Truly though, all of particle physics is all theoretical, because no matter how much evidence (NOT proof, there is a difference), it cannot be proved.
Read "Angels and Demons" by Dan Brown. In the book scientists create antimatter (black hole contained in a vacuum) using the Hadron Accelerator which is then stolen by terrorists in an attempt to blow up Vatican City.
so what are you guys doing with the last two days of your life ?
there’s a collider under long island in NY and nothing has happened… I think Switzerland will be fine… they’ll probably just become the leader in nuclear physics…
Waiting to see the most complex device ever built by mankind to be turned on and then celebrating our combined achievement by smoking a J and enjoying a good dark beer.
In for beer maybe out for the J
I’m here bro.
Question though, was type of power does this thing draw to actually function and is it pulling off the local power or did they build a personal power system for this thing?
Sorry if this is actually in an article somewhere.
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Question though, was type of power does this thing draw to actually function and is it pulling off the local power or did they build a personal power system for this thing?
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I believe it uses 120MW and I’m not sure about having its own power station.
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As I have stated before, I am very ignorant of the topic at hand. Based on provided information, it sounds like that knowledge is not worth the uncertain risks. If I were more knowledgable of the topic, I might have a different opinion. How many of us really know anything other than what we read? I would have to research microscopic black holes before I give this a thumbs up.
Nothing ventured; nothing gained is better than Something ventured, something lost. Yes, I agree it would be nice to learn how the results of what they do applies to our knowledge of how the universe works. |
I don’t want to sound patronising but you should definitely try to read a bit more about the subject. Some of the stuff is seriously amazing - even if you aren’t a scientific person.
I drop a ball and it falls towards the ground. The earth weighs a lot and is spinning and so it has gravity. But what actually makes those atoms in the ball attracted to those at the centre of the earth?
And think about space - solid matter like stars, planets, dust clouds etc.. they only represent a TINY TINY TINY proportion of all matter in the universe… so wtf is the rest? Scientists think it is "dark matter."
Other more simple things like "wave particle duality." Most people think light is a wave.. it’s part of the electromagnetic spectrum and changing wavelength changes the colours absorbed and reflected by different items. But light can also act as a particle and be involved in collisions with solid matter.
And when the universe was born, there were equal amount of matter and antimatter (total oposites i.e. an electron (matter) has a negative charge but a positron (antimatter) is positively charged.) When the two collide, they annihalate, giving of photons of energy. So at some point in the history of the universe, a massive battle of all matter vs antimatter in the universe must have occurred, and matter won… but why and how?
And at some point straight after the big bag, light did not even exist… how crazy is that? No such thing as light.
And it’s even theorised that immediately after the big bang, time itself did not exist.. I can’t even comprehend that.
etc etc etc.. I just think this stuff is absolutely amazing and it’s human nature to always want to understand things. This accelerator is one the greatest feats of human ingenuity and acheivement EVER. And while many countries in the world are at war with one another, and genocides are still occurring, thousands of scientists from so many countries are working together to further human knowledge. That is worth celebrating IMO.
Cosmic rays > LHC
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The Oh-My-God particle (a play on the nickname "God particle" for the ), observed on the evening of , , over , Utah. Its observation was a shock to , who estimated its energy to be approximately 3 × 10^20 electronvolts (50 )— in other words, a with kinetic energy equal to that of a (142 ) thrown at 100 km/h (60 mph). |
The LHC just allows scientists to properly observe particles with high energies that occur in nature anyway. The Earth hasn’t been torn apart by any black holes yet, it won’t when the LHC is switched on either.
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I don’t want to sound patronising but you should definitely try to read a bit more about the subject. Some of the stuff is seriously amazing - even if you aren’t a scientific person.
I drop a ball and it falls towards the ground. The earth weighs a lot and is spinning and so it has gravity. But what actually makes those atoms in the ball attracted to those at the centre of the earth? And think about space - solid matter like stars, planets, dust clouds etc.. they only represent a TINY TINY TINY proportion of all matter in the universe… so wtf is the rest? Scientists think it is "dark matter." Other more simple things like "wave particle duality." Most people think light is a wave.. it’s part of the electromagnetic spectrum and changing wavelength changes the colours absorbed and reflected by different items. But light can also act as a particle and be involved in collisions with solid matter. And when the universe was born, there were equal amount of matter and antimatter (total oposites i.e. an electron (matter) has a negative charge but a positron (antimatter) is positively charged.) When the two collide, they annihalate, giving of photons of energy. So at some point in the history of the universe, a massive battle of all matter vs antimatter in the universe must have occurred, and matter won… but why and how? And at some point straight after the big bag, light did not even exist… how crazy is that? No such thing as light. etc etc etc.. I just think this stuff is absolutely amazing and it’s human nature to always want to understand things. This accelerator is one the greatest feats of human ingenuity and acheivement EVER. And while many countries in the world are at war with one another, and genocides are still occurring, thousands of scientists from so many countries are working together to further human knowledge. That is worth celebrating IMO. |
I applaud the effort but there’s some fallacious physics in there
I just want to say that just because so many people believe something, doesn’t make it true. Even within the scientific community there is so much social pressure and herd conformity, herd thinking. There is also the people who have invested much time and effort in a particular view that they would resist any opposing view.
lose/lose
what do you have to lose if we’re all gonna die
I thought the actual near-light speed tests aren’t until October?
meh.. point still stands. I’m a med student - not a physicist and I suck at maths
True, but those thousands of scientists know more than you, me, anyone on OT or any of the conspiracy theorists and fearmongers.
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I don’t want to sound patronising but you should definitely try to read a bit more about the subject. Some of the stuff is seriously amazing - even if you aren’t a scientific person.
I drop a ball and it falls towards the ground. The earth weighs a lot and is spinning and so it has gravity. But what actually makes those atoms in the ball attracted to those at the centre of the earth? And think about space - solid matter like stars, planets, dust clouds etc.. they only represent a TINY TINY TINY proportion of all matter in the universe… so wtf is the rest? Scientists think it is "dark matter." Other more simple things like "wave particle duality." Most people think light is a wave.. it’s part of the electromagnetic spectrum and changing wavelength changes the colours absorbed and reflected by different items. But light can also act as a particle and be involved in collisions with solid matter. And when the universe was born, there were equal amount of matter and antimatter (total oposites i.e. an electron (matter) has a negative charge but a positron (antimatter) is positively charged.) When the two collide, they annihalate, giving of photons of energy. So at some point in the history of the universe, a massive battle of all matter vs antimatter in the universe must have occurred, and matter won… but why and how? And at some point straight after the big bag, light did not even exist… how crazy is that? No such thing as light. etc etc etc.. I just think this stuff is absolutely amazing and it’s human nature to always want to understand things. This accelerator is one the greatest feats of human ingenuity and acheivement EVER. And while many countries in the world are at war with one another, and genocides are still occurring, thousands of scientists from so many countries are working together to further human knowledge. That is worth celebrating IMO. |
I am pretty skeptical. I doubt they will get any closer to the answers of those questions.
As far as the time statement goes… Time will always exist. Whether time matters or not, is the question.
Extremist scientists will value knowledge over life. They will risk life in the pursuit of knowledge.
Chances are slim that something bad will happen. I am not scared. I just don’t know if the risk is worth the reward based on my ignorance of the topic at hand.
Scientists agree that there’s something like a 1:10^billion chance of LHC destroying the earth
So they’re telling us there’s a chance? Damn….
You need to realize that statistics govern our world. Nothing is impossible, and I mean nothing. Many things are just highly improbable. There is a higher chance of the sun spontaneously dying than there is of this thing doing anything to affect the earth.
Can you name of these scientists?
Katsushi Arisaka
Maybe DC will get swallowed up by the impending black hole…
then we can start this country over on the right foot….
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I am pretty skeptical. I doubt they will get any closer to the answers of those questions.
As far as the time statement goes… Time will always exist. Whether time matters or not, is the question. Extremist scientists will value knowledge over life. They will risk life in the pursuit of knowledge. Chances are slim that something bad will happen. I am not scared. I just don’t know if the risk is worth the reward based on my ignorance of the topic at hand. |
Time = God.
Father Time (God)
Mother Earth (Virgin Mary)
The Son (Sun)
Joseph (everyman)
We won’t really know the effects of this until mid-October.
Plus, the current test isnt nearly as powerful as the ones they plan on doing in the future.
Yeah. I mean it sounds like they are just shooting a beam. Right? In October there will be two beams shot at each other at near light speed.
Scary to think that any knowledge we gain, will probably eventually lead to our own destruction. Are we responsible enough to handle that knowledge?
Hell no. We get greedier in the name of science. This is turning into art. You remember that guy who starved a dog to death and called it an art exhibit? Same shit, we keep pushing the boundaries until it starts affecting life itself.
I am starting to think that the experiment will not be as cataclysmic as many believe it might be.
Hawkings bet it wouldn’t create a blackhole.
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When the world’s largest atom-smasher begins colliding particles in a few months time, there is just a chance that it might create a miniature black hole. |
Some fear that if Hawking’s Radiation doesn’t exist than the black hole may not evaporate at all. Thus getting larger and larger.
probably not…It will lead to more experiments that might be, though.
My statement was more hypothetical about the power gained from the knowledge. Suppose we learned how harness a device with enough power to destroy the planet at the push of the button. Would you trust anyone with that knowledge or device?
I’ll take those odds for the sake of science
I’m watching the wwebcast now.
Pretty cool shit, their warming it up now.
oh nevermind they all ready sent one up now, their doing the second one right now. No collisions today though, just making sure it works
The Tower of Babel, revisited? I don’t think God is going to be so kind this time, and just confuse our languages. This time, He’ll just let these morons suck the planet right into oblivion.
Hopefully, nothing will happen. More hopefully, this idiotic contraption will just explode, and future funding will be diverted to feeding starving babies or curing AIDS or something USEFUL.
There are many of these colliders already in existance (two in the United States) already…. just not on this scale. So, it’s not like this is new technology.
or figuring out how to get more than 24 miles per gallon on cars.
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The Tower of Babel, revisited? I don’t think God is going to be so kind this time, and just confuse our languages. This time, He’ll just let these morons suck the planet right into oblivion.
Hopefully, nothing will happen. More hopefully, this idiotic contraption will just explode, and future funding will be diverted to feeding starving babies or curing AIDS or something USEFUL. |
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The Tower of Babel, revisited? I don’t think God is going to be so kind this time, and just confuse our languages. This time, He’ll just let these morons suck the planet right into oblivion.
Hopefully, nothing will happen. More hopefully, this idiotic contraption will just explode, and future funding will be diverted to feeding starving babies or curing AIDS or something USEFUL. |
You’re dumb
I don’t buy that. If black holes do actually exist, it doesn’t make sense that they would exist without Hawking radiation, since black hole growth would be perpetual and anything within the event horizon will be trapped eternally until whole galaxies are sucked in.
nothing is impossible
It’s the great mistake of ‘08. Those damn AI’s are going to ruin us!
is there any fuckin sites at all that show results from what happened with this thing? fuck if i can find em, google hates me this morning.
This will show my ignorance on this matter. Since scientists believe there is a supermassive black hole in the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, why has this black hole not yet sucked up the whole Milky Way?
I took 2 laser pointers, aligned them perfectly by setting them on my desk, and fired them both simultaneously.
The photons from the lasers traveled at near light speed, collided (which I know because I was sitting right here watching it), and nothing happened.
The gravitational pull based on mass, distance, and the force of objects traveling through space. As it gets more massive, it’s gravitational pull will get stronger eventually it may get strong enough to pull us in, but it is so far away it wont be for a long time.
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The Tower of Babel, revisited? I don’t think God is going to be so kind this time, and just confuse our languages. This time, He’ll just let these morons suck the planet right into oblivion.
Hopefully, nothing will happen. More hopefully, this idiotic contraption will just explode, and future funding will be diverted to feeding starving babies or curing AIDS or something USEFUL. |
What the fuck is wrong with you?
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The Tower of Babel, revisited? I don’t think God is going to be so kind this time, and just confuse our languages. This time, He’ll just let these morons suck the planet right into oblivion.
Hopefully, nothing will happen. More hopefully, this idiotic contraption will just explode, and future funding will be diverted to feeding starving babies or curing AIDS or something USEFUL. |
Christian fear mongering at its best
At any rate, a friend of mine is working on her phd in physics, something with lasers. She shoots lasers into things and then studies the particles that fly off…or something like that…She gave me this link, its the most recent safety report for the LHC.
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Abstract. The safety of collisions at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) was studied in 2003 by the LHC Safety Study Group, who concluded that they presented no danger. Here we review their 2003 analysis in light of additional experimental results and theoretical understanding, which enable us to confirm, update and extend the conclusions of the LHC Safety Study Group. The LHC reproduces in the laboratory, under controlled conditions, collisions at centre-of-mass energies, less than those reached in the atmosphere by some of the cosmic rays that have been bombarding the Earth for billions of years. We recall the rates for the collisions of cosmic rays with the Earth, Sun, neutron stars, white dwarfs and other astronomical bodies at energies higher than the LHC. The stability of astronomical bodies indicates that such collisions cannot be dangerous. Specifically, we study the possible production at the LHC of hypothetical objects such as vacuum bubbles, magnetic monopoles, microscopic black holes and strangelets, and find no associated risks. Any microscopic black holes produced at the LHC are expected to decay by Hawking radiation before they reach the detector walls. If some microscopic black holes were stable, those produced by cosmic rays would be stopped inside the Earth or other astronomical bodies. The stability of astronomical bodies strongly constrains the possible rate of accretion by any such microscopic black holes, so that they present no conceivable danger. In the case of strangelets, the good agreement of measurements of particle production at RHIC with simple thermodynamic models severely constrains the production of strangelets in heavy-ion collisions at the LHC, which also present no danger. |
I dont think they have done anything yet. Yesterday they sent a particle around one way, some time soon they will send a particle around the other way…i mean its a 17 mile long accelerator, they need to check everything to make sure its working. I think the first actual smashing tests will happen towards the end of the year.
Also it takes something like months just to fully power up.
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alot.
Link for your reference
Also live webcam
Av can be sane, and then 5 minutes later, he turns into a calmer more literate version of ghosthunter.
That’s some of the creepiest shit I’ve ever seen.
"Alright honey, take off your clothes so daddy can take a picture for the…photo album"
"Daddy, I’m 17!"
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Why doesn’t it expand at a faster rate though? Not saying I want it to. Just asking though.
Lemme see if this makes sense, cause this shit is still above my head.
In its most basic form, I assume that you know that a black hole is the result of supernovae. The black holes at the center of galaxies, however, are obviously far larger. The issue is that gravitation does not work in a linear sense due to the big bang (assuming you believe in it), it works only in conic functions (ellipses most often). With that said, the reason why it doesn’t increase exponentially is due to two main things: the shape of our galaxy which is roughly elliptical and Einstein’s general theory of relativity, aka, curved space.
Now I’m not going to go into space time and the curvature of space because I don’t understand it enough, but consider for a moment that the black hole at the center of the milky way is a bowling ball on a trampoline. "Throw" some matter aka our solar system towards the outer edge in the form of a marble and what happens: from the side, it looks like the marble oscillates and from the top, it looks purely elliptical. However, the two competing forces, gravity pulling down and the "centripetal" force pulling the marble inward act together to keep the marble at a nearly constant rate of orbit unlike just dropping it down the side of the sunken trampoline.
That’s probably pretty fallacious, but I tried my best
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Lemme see if this makes sense, cause this shit is still above my head.
In its most basic form, I assume that you know that a black hole is the result of supernovae. The black holes at the center of galaxies, however, are obviously far larger. The issue is that gravitation does not work in a linear sense due to the big bang (assuming you believe in it), it works only in conic functions (ellipses most often). With that said, the reason why it doesn’t increase exponentially is due to two main things: the shape of our galaxy which is roughly elliptical and Einstein’s general theory of relativity, aka, curved space. Now I’m not going to go into space time and the curvature of space because I don’t understand it enough, but consider for a moment that the black hole at the center of the milky way is a bowling ball on a trampoline. "Throw" some matter aka our solar system towards the outer edge in the form of a marble and what happens: from the side, it looks like the marble oscillates and from the top, it looks purely elliptical. However, the two competing forces, gravity pulling down and the "centripetal" force pulling the marble inward act together to keep the marble at a nearly constant rate of orbit unlike just dropping it down the side of the sunken trampoline. That’s probably pretty fallacious, but I tried my best |
It’s starting to make a little more sense now. How does the whole laser thing work? Do they keep the machine on until the lasers eventually collide or are there a series of tests?
Hell if I know, that wasn’t me that posted that.
Basically, we are so far away from the black hole that combined with our orbit and slope down to the black hole, we are many years away from being destroyed.
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