Joseph Stiglitz argues that the "left" are best for economic growth

August 13, 2008

Both the left and the right say they stand for economic growth. So should voters trying to decide between the two simply look at it as a matter of choosing alternative management teams?

If only matters were so easy! Part of the problem concerns the role of luck. America’s economy was blessed in the 1990s with low energy prices, a high pace of innovation, and a China increasingly offering high-quality goods at decreasing prices, all of which combined to produce low inflation and rapid growth.

President Clinton and then-chairman of the US Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, deserve little credit for this – though, to be sure, bad policies could have messed things up. By contrast, the problems faced today – high energy and food prices and a crumbling financial system – have, to a large extent, been brought about by bad policies.

There are, indeed, big differences in growth strategies, which make different outcomes highly likely. The first difference concerns how growth itself is conceived. Growth is not just a matter of increasing GDP. It must be sustainable: growth based on environmental degradation, a debt-financed consumption binge, or the exploitation of scarce natural resources, without reinvesting the proceeds, is not sustainable.

Growth also must be inclusive; at least a majority of citizens must benefit. Trickle-down economics does not work: an increase in GDP can actually leave most citizens worse off. America’s recent growth was neither economically sustainable nor inclusive. Most Americans are worse off today than they were seven years ago.

But there need not be a trade-off between inequality and growth. Governments can enhance growth by increasing inclusiveness. A country’s most valuable resource is its people. So it is essential to ensure that everyone can live up to their potential, which requires educational opportunities for all.

A modern economy also requires risk-taking. Individuals are more willing to take risks if there is a good safety net. If not, citizens may demand protection from foreign competition. Social protection is more efficient than protectionism.

Failures to promote social solidarity can have other costs, not the least of which are the social and private expenditures required to protect property and incarcerate criminals. It is estimated that within a few years, America will have more people working in the security business than in education. A year in prison can cost more than a year at Harvard. The cost of incarcerating two million Americans – one of the highest per capita rates (pdf) in the world – should be viewed as a subtraction from GDP, yet it is added on.

A second major difference between left and right concerns the role of the state in promoting development. The left understands that the government’s role in providing infrastructure and education, developing technology, and even acting as an entrepreneur is vital. Government laid the foundations of the internet and the modern biotechnology revolutions. In the 19th century, research at America’s government-supported universities provided the basis for the agricultural revolution. Government then brought these advances to millions of American farmers. Small business loans have been pivotal in creating not only new businesses, but whole new industries.

The final difference may seem odd: the left now understands markets, and the role that they can and should play in the economy. The right, especially in America, does not. The new right, typified by the Bush-Cheney administration, is really old corporatism in a new guise.

These are not libertarians. They believe in a strong state with robust executive powers, but one used in defense of established interests, with little attention to market principles. The list of examples is long, but it includes subsidies to large corporate farms, tariffs to protect the steel industry, and, most recently, the mega-bailouts of Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. But the inconsistency between rhetoric and reality is long-standing: protectionism expanded under Reagan, including through the imposition of so-called voluntary export restraints on Japanese cars.

By contrast, the new left is trying to make markets work. Unfettered markets do not operate well on their own – a conclusion reinforced by the current financial debacle. Defenders of markets sometimes admit that they do fail, even disastrously, but they claim that markets are "self-correcting." During the Great Depression, similar arguments were heard: the government need not do anything, because markets would restore the economy to full employment in the long run. But, as John Maynard Keynes famously put it, in the long run we are all dead.

Markets are not self-correcting in the relevant time frame. No government can sit idly by as a country goes into recession or depression, even when caused by the excessive greed of bankers or misjudgment of risks by security markets and rating agencies. But if governments are going to pay the economy’s hospital bills, they must act to make it less likely that hospitalisation will be needed. The right’s deregulation mantra was simply wrong, and we are now paying the price. And the price tag – in terms of lost output – will be high, perhaps more than $1.5trn in the US alone.

The right often traces its intellectual parentage to Adam Smith, but while Smith recognised the power of markets, he also recognised their limits. Even in his era, businesses found that they could increase profits more easily by conspiring to raise prices than by producing innovative products more efficiently. There is a need for strong anti-trust laws.

It is easy to host a party. For the moment, everyone can feel good. Promoting sustainable growth is much harder. Today, in contrast to the right, the left has a coherent agenda, one that offers not only higher growth, but also social justice. For voters, the choice should be easy.

A modern economy also requires risk-taking. Individuals are more willing to take risks if there is a good safety net. If not, citizens may demand protection from foreign competition. Social protection is more efficient than protectionism.

I’ve been saying this for a while.

Have you read any of stiglitz’s books?

A modern economy also requires risk-taking. Individuals are more willing to take risks if there is a good safety net. If not, citizens may demand protection from foreign competition. Social protection is more efficient than protectionism.

This guy is an absolute idiot. This second sentence is the same as saying "Individuals are more willing to take risks if there is less risk." Which is a contradiction. And can be further refined to saying "Individuals are more willing to take small risks, than big ones."

So …. you COMPLETELY fail to understand that …. say, something like this analogy of a SAFETY NET would encourage more people to say… walk a tight-rope?

Telecast has dozens …. clearly.

So did Hayek and Friedman, lol.

keynes got one too

So …. you COMPLETELY fail to understand that …. say, something like this analogy of a SAFETY NET would encourage more people to say… walk a tight-rope?

god you are an idiot.

The risk of walking a tight rope is that you fall and die. If you have a safety net the RISK you take of fallin and dying is decreased. This man is an idiot for stating the fucking obvious. People are more likely to take smaller risk over greater risk.

If we extrapolate this idea into the real world, where risk/reward relationships exist…. well, ill let you deduce the rest.

I havent got a nobel prize, but i have a brain, which is more than you can claim.

god you are an idiot.

The risk of walking a tight rope is that you fall and die. If you have a safety net the RISK you take of fallin and dying is decreased. This man is an idiot for stating the fucking obvious. People are more likely to take smaller risk over greater risk.

If we extrapolate this idea into the real world, where risk/reward relationships exist…. well, ill let you deduce the rest.

I havent got a nobel prize, but i have a brain, which is more than you can claim.

If you took a basic finance class, you would know that less risk = more value since money is more freely available

please define value.

Regardless, historically it is the big risks that yield the greatest roi. Its the big risks that have also been the basis for american development and industry.

In terms of investment, the strategies of low(er) risk investing, and higher risk speculation, are debatable. The higher risk of speculative moves yield higher ROI.

this is the basic risk/reward relationship. New ventures are high risk, but venture capital is essential to an american economy.

please define value.

Regardless, historically it is the big risks that yield the greatest roi. Its the big risks that have also been the basis for american development and industry.

In terms of investment, the strategies of low(er) risk investing, and higher risk speculation, are debatable. The higher risk of speculative moves yield higher ROI.

this is the basic risk/reward relationship. New ventures are high risk, but venture capital is essential to an american economy.

Risk is defined as the variability of outcomes of an action. If you can reduce the downside of an action, the variability of that action will decrease and hence the risk will decrease — regardless of any external influences.

If the risk of an action decreases, more people will opt to pursue that action if the return is sufficient. People are, after all, risk adverse so the less risk the better — all else equal.

There is no logical connection between decreasing risk and somehow decreasing the value of an action. On the contrary, the less risk an action has, the more valuable it will become all else equal.

Value can be defined as the benefits (financial in this case) one can derive from that action. IF the risk of that action decreases on the downside, the expected value of that action will increase.

Now here is where basic financial knowledge comes in handy: if you have decreased risk on all financial projects, the value of all those projects increases and people will be more likely to invest in those projects. People who would have otherwise stayed away from financial projects (such as investing in stocks, commercial paper or real estate), would instead choose to invest in them if the risk decreases sufficiently. This can be shown mathematically using discounted cash flow analysis (wherein the "r" value decreases with less risk incurred).

At the same time, however, with less risk and more government bailouts comes the problem of moral hazard wherein the intrinsic risk of projects doesn’t decrease but people still enter into them because the downside has decreased due to government intervention. This is a problematic aspect of Stiglitz’s premise of artificial risk reduction leading to better economic prosperity.

Risk is defined as the variability of outcomes of an action. If you can reduce the downside of an action, the variability of that action will decrease and hence the risk will decrease — regardless of any external influences.

If the risk of an action decreases, more people will opt to pursue that action if the return is sufficient. People are, after all, risk adverse so the less risk the better — all else equal.

There is no logical connection between decreasing risk and somehow decreasing the value of an action. On the contrary, the less risk an action has, the more valuable it will become all else equal.

Value can be defined as the benefits (financial in this case) one can derive from that action. IF the risk of that action decreases on the downside, the expected value of that action will increase.

Now here is where basic financial knowledge comes in handy: if you have decreased risk on all financial projects, the value of all those projects increases and people will be more likely to invest in those projects. People who would have otherwise stayed away from financial projects (such as investing in stocks, commercial paper or real estate), would instead choose to invest in them if the risk decreases sufficiently. This can be shown mathematically using discounted cash flow analysis (wherein the "r" value decreases with less risk incurred).

At the same time, however, with less risk and more government bailouts comes the problem of moral hazard wherein the intrinsic risk of projects doesn’t decrease but people still enter into them because the downside has decreased due to government intervention. This is a problematic aspect of Stiglitz’s premise of artificial risk reduction leading to better economic prosperity.

i think perhaps we misunderstood eachother, because i agree and understand everything you have stated. Before you said simply that less risk = more value, which is not necessarily true. Value is dependent on the reward risk relationship, and not on any one value. But i see now what you meant.

Indeed value is dependent on the risk reward relationship. However, Investment A which has the same return as Investment B but less risk is considered a more valuable investment, no? I think that’s the crux of Stiglitz’s argument. With less risk, everything becomes more valuable by this definition (since everything should have the same return as before any policies come into play).

I understand, but he poorly phrased the obvious. You also hit the nail right on the head with moral hazard.

He didn’t phrase anything poorly, dipshit. As everyone has pointed out, YOU are the one who doesn’t have the IQ to interpret what was stated rather simply, which is no surprise at all.

How do you manage to make a fool out of yourself on every trip you make into DIAC?

This guy is an absolute idiot. This second sentence is the same as saying "Individuals are more willing to take risks if there is less risk." Which is a contradiction. And can be further refined to saying "Individuals are more willing to take small risks, than big ones."

Quoted again for hilarity.

He didn’t phrase anything poorly, dipshit. As everyone has pointed out, YOU are the one who doesn’t have the IQ to interpret what was stated rather simply, which is no surprise at all.

How do you manage to make a fool out of yourself on every trip you make into DIAC?

Quoted again for hilarity.

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