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the first line of his berlin speech was him playing the race card- and it wasn’t even true

Obama saying

How is it not racial? It was definately racial.

He has the right to make it racial, but to deny it is just another lie.

For starters, he is saying exactly what the Republicans are doing. It may not be McCain doing the actual talking. But if you think that Obamas race is not a topic of conversation among many of Skelator’s followers, you are dumber than you think even I am.

Maybe. What is your point? My point is that Obama’s campaign got caught in another lie.

Did you even read what I posted? They can bring up race, I dont care.

To deny it had anything to do with race is a lie. Not surprising that they lie, just pointing it out.

What did he say?

"I know that I don’t look like the Americans who’ve previously spoken in this great city."

of course, this isn’t even true, since both of the last secretaries of state were black

All those damn presidents on our currency… How many bills have presidents on them again?

nine
lol @ the republicans saying obama’s using the race card

they started that shit and that’s really all there is to it. he was just saying the facts. everyone knows about the "obama-osama" references and the caricatures and all that shit.

With 7 bill currently being printed? That is pretty interesting.

Edit:

I’m not sure if you are taking this seriously or kidding me. I was making fun of his multiple presidents on the $1 bill comment.
Obama’s comment is completely accurate, given the merchadise sold at the republican conventions. I don’t think it’s inappropriate.

The phrase "Playing the race card" is usually used when someone makes it about race when it’s not.

you ever looked at the back of the bill on weed?

there’s at least 63 different presidents there, hidden in that pyramid shit.

I should try that!

Have not smoked weed in 25 years.

do you think it would make Bill Clinton proud, because he suffered the same fate

what merchandise are you referring to?

As soon as something even REMOTELY regarding race emerges, OMG OMG HE PLAYED THE RACE CARD. He didn’t do anything. Would you say the same things if McCain said "I might not look like all the 40 and 50 year olds in government right now, but I’m qualified to lead"? It was a chuckle line, nothing more, and as predicted, it got blown out of proportion.

You think what he said isn’t the truth? Tell me you don’t think his race has nothing to do with his chances.

definitely not playing the race card, amirite?
I don’t think he was playing the race card.

But I think he should. In the past few weeks…we’ve seen the McCain campaign whip out the conservatives old tried and true Fear and Smear.

I love it. The McCain campaign gets sensitive over everything….but they’ve got no problem dishing it out.

In my circle of friends we call people that can dish it out but can’t take it….wait….what was it we called them again?

Oh yeah….pussies.

You are lying to yourself and us if you say you don’t think he was playing the race card. It is plain as day. What do we call that? Denial. It happens to people who are blinded by love.

I don’t mind if he plays the race card. The most common reason for most of the people I know who are voting for him is that they want to see a black president in their life time.

My only problem is that he lies and says he never played the race card. He did and he knows it. What do we call his camp? Liars.

Please, list for us all the Republicans who have said the first thing about Obama’s race. There have been plenty of people talking about Obama’s race and making racist remarks, it’s just they are all Democrats. Hillary supporters. The fact that all this is somehow blamed on Republicans I find hysterical, predictable, and pathetic all at the same time. Republicans did not start a damn thing, and you know it.

TED KENNEDY is the one who called him Osama Obama, and it gets repeated because it was funny. God damn you people are dumb.

And you know what we call people like you?

Wrong.

Next.

"paint the white house black" etc

was ludacris hawking the merch?

wasn’t that ted kennedy?

That isn’t the race card. Good lord man. Had he said something like "they’re attacking me because I’m black" in a serious statement, then sure. Did you watch the video? It’s a chuckle line. I wish people would actually see HOW people say things instead of just what they say.

it’s not even "they’re attacking me ebcause I’m black" it’s "They’re attacking me ON my blackness".

If Obama was being pounded for his energy policy and said "It’s because I’m black." then he’d be playing the race card.

But saying "they want to remind you that I’m black" isn’t really. It’s just accusing republicans of racial attacks, which is legitimate.

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

so which is it, a chuckle line or a response to a republican attack?

He also played the race card in Germany but that flew over everyone’s head

Okay KG, I’ll just state it as this: every time someone mentions race is NOT playing the race card. If he complained about being treated unfairly because he was black or them attacking his policies because he’s black, then sure. I will find a video link so you can see no one there even considered it to be a racist remark. He’s said the same like 7-8 times, but only now McCain says something? Because it’s convienent after his stupid negative attack ads.

Yeah, all those white people were upset when they erupted in laughter.

he is complaining that they are treating him differently because he looks differently.

The idiot on foxnews explains it in your youtube video.

He isn’t complaining at all, he’s describing the tactics they’re taking and making a joke about it.

did you watch the video you posted?
He’s not "playing the race card" - he’s just telling it how it is.

what do we call people like you?
Blind
Clueless
Ignorant
Follower
Sheep
Obama sack rider
Obama pole smoker
…And so many more…

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Uhh, Yes it is. How can you possibly think otherwise?

It brings up race. It brings up how race will be used as a fear tactic. It may even be true, but it still is playing the race card.

In one of his 3 speeches where he made such comments he was directing his comments towards the McCain camp. It was presumptive. The McCain camp had not done that, yet.

I love the hate you bring to the table in nearly every thread you post in

I just don’t understand how people are in such denial that they ignore and twist the obvious facts. I know I am not eloquent enough to get through to these dreamy eyed sheep.

You are the only person on the forum that I was wrong to insult, in my opinion.

HAHA WORD!
he played the race card. he was right to do so.

next thread?

republicans have been producing racist propaganda from day 1 against obama.

It is commercials like this that make McCain seem as if he has no substance either.

They are funny and belong on youtube, but shouldnt be paid for by the campaign.
Ronald Reagan ran California before he ran for President.

He waited 16 years after his first big national speech before running for President.

God you are dumb

holy shit, I wonder what Rev. Wright thinks about that

So surprising, another McCain ad attacking Obama and not stating why McCain is better.

I wonder what 2000 McCain would think about this.

I lost it during the last sentence
I think mccain’s websites and advertising have more pictures of obama than mccain

I’m not the one consistently using the "I’m rubber, you’re glue defense".

Are you serious with that stuff? Can’t possibly be.

I’ll also let you know that I’ve been following politics since just before the first GE I could vote in…1992. I’ve phone banked…I’ve canvassed. I can assure I’ve actually gotten involved with campaigns. Though it may be down at the grass roots…it’s still experience.

Getting upset that I support the other candidate…whatever.

Though I was actually a McCain supporter in 2000…his continual capitulating, sucking up to a man (Bush) that smeared the shit out of he and his family, his constant shifting of policies for years, and now his ridiculous plan to drill more land (when the oil companies haven’t drilled the area’s they’re allowed to drill) under the guise of cheaper oil prices (when it won’t lead to cheaper gas prices for us because it will be sold on the world market)…have led me to not want to support him.

So…that led me to the other candidate. Is he perfect. No. But I agree with more policies laid out by him…then I do ones from McCain.

Spelled it out for you cockbag. Take a seat you cunt.

And this is in July/August, for christ’s sake. Talk about blowing your load too early.

McCain’s lucky he can even get it up

just wait til the Hillary videos come out around the time of the DNC

remeber when she said that McCain > Obama

People in the GOP itself are now having doubts about McCain’s strategy, because he is going negative way too early. Keep it up, McCain. Still got over a month until the GOP convention.

If you look at the August date in a different light, it is kinda for Obama.

I honestly didn’t think McCain would be this close right now. I thought Obama would have a commanding lead and that it would close to a reasonable lead when the Rep spin machine got going full speed with the "Obama wants to take your money" right before the election.

It is interesting that McCain is so close in the polls (in general) even after Obama’s "successful" trip. Personally i think this makes it more interesting… and i hope forces them to state some specific policies in detail instead of the general crap they are now (more so for McCain).

You are always talking about how desperate the Repubs are… yet McCain is neck and neck with Obama. That doesn’t seem like a "desperate" situation.

People in the DNC are wondering why the hell its tied when Obama should have a huge lead

These ads of McCain’s are desperation. Someone who was confident of his position on the issues would not be making ads comparing his opponent to Britney Spears.

Where is it neck and neck?

Just look up the registration numbers in the swing states. There is a reason McCain is desperate for attention.

shh. The national polls are close!

remember that "Berlin bounce" Obama had, its gone. We are back to a tie and its Obama that better start getting desperate. Just wait just the RNC starts putting out Rev. Wright, "bitter" ads etc. You have to remember they haven’t had a crack at that yet

Obama is afraid of that, which is why he threw down the race card yesterday several times

Ok. I think we have different definitions of desperate then. Would Obama be changing is positions if he was "confident in his position on the issues"? By your definition, he must be "desperate".

McCain has thrown in the towel on running a clean campaign. Obviously out of desperation.

So now it’s the tried and true smear and fear tactics. I should have expected as much from a guy that was tortured…but now supports torture. He was feared and smeared by Bush…confronted him during a debate in 2000 on live TV asking for an apology…but now relies on the fear and smear himself.

A man of weak constitution.

they include states that are within the margin of error

I can see you actually read the polls that they used on that site… How about you use Realclear averages and recalculate those numbers?

And his own supporters are gung ho for the fear and smear.

Low road politics. Tells us a boat load about his supporters.

They made a mistake going negative too early. They seriously should have waited until September/October. I don’t mind, though.

Again, look up the voter registration numbers in any of the swing states. Good luck on election day with turnout.

All the MoE in favor of Obama? What are the odds?

Astronomical.

I just saw a few and disregarded the rest of the poll

Actually…in reference to this McCain ad from several months ago.

Rest of the poll? Did you mean polls? So you didn’t like the way some of them looked…so you disregarded the rest?

If it works for you.

What you should really be asking is why is it that McCain is still losing in the polls, however slightly, but still losing when he’s come out with a new attack ad almost every 3 days and Obama has come out with no ads at all? If they were working, then I would expect to see him ahead by now.

As everyone has said, McCain is the underdog. Unless you want to come out and say his a valid candidate that can challenge Obama. Obama is the one who should be vastly ahead right now. Obama is a vastly superior candidate, evidently, and should have a considerable lead. What smacks of desperation is the continued denial that McCain is even a reasonable candidate and is somehow giving Obama a run for his money.

How many point and for how many days did his trip push him above McCain in the polls?

Be honest here. All the blustering from the Obama side about McCain having no chance at all… yet still staying relatively close (within MOE) is what brings people in here complaining about "attack ads" and how bad McCain is being. Look at the thread that you have started. Evidently McCain doesn’t have ANY positive policies and no positive experience, yet he is still pretty damn close to Obama.

Certainly Obama "should." But, the election won’t come down to energy policies or the 2nd Amendment. It’ll come down to race foremost, and maybe a bit about war and taxes. But, that race is the elephant in the room of voters, I don’t think is any secret.

That was kinda my point (minus the race part). The "McCain is garbage and Obama will crush him" crowd seem to be the ones that toss the "McCain is desperate" crap around. If McCain was really that crappy of a candidate he probably would be desperate. But it seems that despite some of his senile moments, he is not just hanging in there, but making up ground.

I didn’t start any thread, but my point was that McCain, as much as I don’t like him, has solid policies that HE believes in. He’s not attacking Obama’s policies or standing up for his own, he’s attacking Obama as a person. Comparing him to Moses is probably the stupidest campaign move I’ve seen in my life, and I honestly have no idea how people aren’t being completely turned off by this. Then, Obama jokes around a little bit in front of a predominately white crowd that has a sense of humor, and McCain goes off saying Obama played the race card from the bottom of the deck.

I love this… the only people talking about race are the liberals. Obama boosters are paranoid, and Hillary boosters were the ones using the kind of tactics Obama preemptively accused Republicans of.

It’s not that you are colorblind, it’s that you think everyone else is a backward racist homophobe. I think you are projecting.

There are plenty of reasons to never ever want to vote for Obama, no matter what color skin he has.

lets not be hasty here

That isn’t your thread? Looks a lot like you.

I’m not sure if i should ignore the rest of your comments, because they have absolutely nothing to do with my comment that McCain is a reasonable candidate, is running very close to Obama and isn’t "desperate". You can argue why you don’t like McCain or you do like Obama all you want. That doesn’t change the fact that the people labeling everything McCain says or does as desperate are the same ones saying Obama is the vastly superior candidate and won’t admit that McCain is currently running very close.

Honestly my fault, I thought you were referring to this thread we’re in right now. I no longer think that McCain is desperate, rather, I think that he’s genuinely afraid. He is afraid that people will see that he brings absolutely nothing new to the table, regardless of what experience he might have, and he feels the need to undermine Obama because he’s a newcomer. HOwever, in doing so, people will eventually realize (mark my words) okay, I’m not voting for Obama, so I want to hear McCain’s issues. When that happens (I’m predicting september) and McCain is still focusing on attacking Obama’s experience, I’m pretty sure he’ll pull away in the ratings.

… yeah. Race isn’t an issue in this election at all.

..

lol …. yeah. Yet, the best that even the professional right-wing propagandists can do is to dig up his pastor and emphasize his middle name.

Well, to be quite honest, I don’t see many liberals chanting that he’s playing the race card when he didn’t. As well as McCain’s celeb ad which IMO subliminally shows the classic black guy with the white women in an attempt to undermine Obama again. It’s a classic symbol that has been repeatedly shown up again and again in race relations even today ("Oh they’re stealing our white women"). Whether they intended that or not, I am obviously not sure, but that is what I thought when I saw it. So no, I won’t say that they’re racist if they didn’t mean it, but at the end of the day, it’s how the viewer interprets it that’s important.

Are you kidding noone would ever juxtapose a white woman with a black man in an atta…

I want to give McCain the benefit of the doubt here

Me too, I’m certainly not saying his ad was a "black man/white woman" thing. But it has happened in the fairly recent past in other campaigns.

Well yeah… he hasn’t accused Hillary supporters of being racists. He needs them to vote for him

Subliminally? What the fuck are you talking about? I think you’re projecting.

…..yeah.

If you’re not familiar with the racial symbolism of a black man with white women, I’m afraid this conversation will go nowhere. That’s what I (as well as many others) thought when the commercial aired, but people seem to think that it’s racist to say that. It’s not a stretch; it’s ingrained in the racial history of this nation.

Yeah, it’s been an issue… DURING THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES.

There have been racist statements made and racial preferences expressed…. BY DEMOCRATS.

As a free public service, I shall transcribe this video for the obviously retarded, which would be you. Pay close attention to the highlighted words.

I think it is ingrained into your brain, you fucking racist.

I have no problem seeing a black man with a white woman.

It never ceases to astound me how liberals get away with this bullshit.
I see your argument huntzor. It took me a minute, but I get what you’re saying.

Yep, definitely just me.

Want to try again?
And there isn’t a problem, it’s a stereotype that’s been going on since the Jim Crow era.

Yep. There no indication that race is an issue, in general. Racism is naturally constrained to only people on the political left.
Yes, black guys date white chicks. You know it. I know it. Other people know it, and to some of them and/or us, it makes for interesting sociological theory.

That does not mean that seeing it makes my butthole clench up. As a conservative, I am so fucking sick of getting stereotyped as a racist, when it’s clearly liberals who are the ones obsessed with race. It was liberals who wrote columns and chattered on television about whether Obama was "black enough." It’s liberals who have been bringing up race all during the Democratic primary campaign ("So, like omg I can’t decide, do I wanna vote for the black guy or the white woman?"). Liberals have this mentality of separating people out into groups based on race, gender, class, ethnicity, religion, sect, sexual preference, geography, occupation, hair color, toenail length, and whatever else someone can think of… whereas those of us on the right are objecting to Obama not because of the color of his skin, but the content of his character and ideas.

Yes, some of the less intellectual people find his middle name amusing. Well, is kind of a weird name, and you have to admit that his middle and last names bear eerie resemblance to two modern villians. So what. The less intellectual lefties are calling McCain McSame, despite the fact he has clashed with Bush on a dozen major issues, and have guffawed it up for 8 years about how Bush looks like a monkey and fumbles lines, etc. etc. BFD. Grow a pair, and grow a sense of humor while you’re at it. Yes, the McCain campaign has tried to address a few of Obama’s personal issues by poking fun. If they addressed them seriously you’d probably call them racist or personal attacks. Again, grow a pair. That is, grow a second one and lend it to McCain… please. I’m not defending the McCain campaign. I don’t even like McCain, but I’m voting for him, because I don’t want an ignorant, socialist fuckstick in the White House. So sue me.

Well it’s sure handy that Obama can pin it all on the evil Republicans, isn’t it.

Even though the Republicans have not said word one and it’s all coming from his own party.

His personal issues? You’re really not making much sense here, especially how you want us to have a sense of humor when Obama makes a joke and it ultimately sparked this thread. If you can’t have a lighthearted conversation without getting slammed from the other side, it’s no wonder everyone is as tense as they are.

And I agree completely that the stupid ass liberals kept going on about race in the primary. Hillary and her working class white people were always the topic for discussion.

Well the template is BS, and I’m sick of it.

Anyway, yes, his personal issues. The way he seems so damn insecure despite his bluster. The way the media drools all over him. That he keeps shifting on major policy points. His often-close associations with really shady and morally questionable people. As much crap as Bush and Co. have gotten for this sort of thing, when it comes to Obama somehow we get nothing but excuses. (I do have to admit, however, that Obama’s enmeshment with the Chicago machine is still ever-so-slightly more palatable than the Clinton network, so I guess I can cut you guys a little bit of slack.)

lulz

I honestly still don’t understand why McCain said it was shameful and that he played the race card "from the bottom of the deck". He made a joke that alluded to race in front of white conservatives who thought it was funny, nothing more. John McCain alluding to his age in front of a group of young liberals would have been the same thing, but Obama wouldn’t be shouting HE’S PLAYING THE AGE CARD!!

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