"PRESIDENT-ELECT" is NOT a title

January 27, 2009

Jeez this is irritating the crap out of me.

Obama is still a Senator. His title is "Senator Obama."

WTF is up with the media asking questions like "Mr. President-Elect," ???

And also WTF is up with his "Office of the President-Elect" seal on his podium today?

I don’t particularly care for the guy, but this shit would irritate me regardless of the winner.

/rant


Edit: by further research - he resigned his Senate seat as of the 16th. "Mister" it is.
the fuck are you talking about?

This do this shit every election, quit being a faggot.
"President", however, is….and yet people still call him "Mr. Bush"
Yeah it’s not a title it’s just a description of what he is

the fuck are you talking about?

This do this shit every election, quit being a faggot.

Maybe I’ve just never noticed before.

Regardless, it’s merely a status and not a title. I didn’t realize he had resigned his seat in the Senate. In that case he is "Mister Obama."

No kidding. I wouldn’t mind being called "Mr. President," or just "Mister," but if I were "president-elect," I’d be setting the media straight. "Look guys, I’m just ‘Mister’ until 20 Jan."
It is a title you dumb piece of shit, it recognizes the fact that he’s neither President nor his former position but rather waiting for inauguration. Doesn’t surprise me you’re from Texas.

/thread

Wait so he’s no longer a senator? And you’re making fun of HIS intellect?
jeez is everyone from Texass this fucking stupid? No wonder it always swings neoshit.

And your from Illinois…your point is?

^current douchebag
Well, technically it is. But, the Electoral College has to vote first.

Right now he is still Senator Obama. He isn’t the President Elect until the EC has voted.

Nope, in the off-chance I was wrong (which I thought unlikely,) I double-checked the Constitution. There is no reference to "President-Elect," nor "President Elect."

Edit: I’m not sure why people are swearing in this thread. I’ve done nothing to denigrate Obama except point out I thought his podium was silly. As I said, I don’t recall previous election winners doing this, but I’m certainly open to the possibility I’m wrong there.

he’s from Texass and has Hank Hill in his av. I’ll leave you to figure out the details.

Nope, in the off-chance I was wrong (which I thought unlikely,) I double-checked the Constitution. There is no reference to "President-Elect," nor "President Elect."

you mean the constitution that neocons have shit on for the past 8 years? Gogo opportunism!
Sorry there is no "Office Of The President-Elect". The Presidential Transition Act of 1963 provides for office space for the President-Elect and VicePresident-Elect so the President-Elects office (which would be the physical facilities where him and his transition team will plan the transition) would be the correct thing to say. This is opposed to "Office Of The President-Elect" which implies official duties in government. On January 20th at noon the President-Elect will take over the "Office Of The President" (a position of many official duties), but he will not leave the "Office Of The President-Elect", the President-Elect simply becomes the President at that time. Even "the offices of the Presidential transition team" would be OK as that again is in reference to the facilities. The "Presidents office" is the facilities and the "Office Of The President" is the job.

Yea, and what the hell is that seal on the podium?

And the constitution liberals despise also?

Nope, in the off-chance I was wrong (which I thought unlikely,) I double-checked the Constitution. There is no reference to "President-Elect," nor "President Elect."

Not being in the constitution doesn’t mean he isn’t the president elect genius

Position is the word you are thinking of. President-elect is not a position. It certainly is a title however. It is a title representing what he is, someone who is elected president, but not sworn in yet.

Well, technically it is. But, the Electoral College has to vote first.

Right now he is still Senator Obama. He isn’t the President Elect until the EC has voted.

Their votes get opened in December, but come on bro

Well, technically it is. But, the Electoral College has to vote first.

Right now he is still Senator Obama. He isn’t the President Elect until the EC has voted.

I still want to rape you.

Hey look… another idiot. Did you actually look at what you were agreeing with or are you this dumb?

My guess is you’re this dumb… and they let people like you vote

you’re right. My bad.

Hey look… another idiot. Did you actually look at what you were agreeing with or are you this dumb?

My guess is you’re this dumb… and they let people like you vote

Who the fuck are you faggot?

Every election winning candidate of recent memory has been given the label president elect.

Are you trolling?

Not being in the constitution doesn’t mean he isn’t the president elect genius

Position is the word you are thinking of. President-elect is not a position. It certainly is a title however. It is a title representing what he is, someone who is elected president, but not sworn in yet.

Interesting counterpoint. I still say it’s a status and not a title. As in, "Obama is the president-elect," which is 100% correct. I still think his correct title at this point is "Mister Obama," however.

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That is ridiculous. It is most certainly a title, and always has been.

Google "President-Elect Bush" and "President-Elect Clinton" and "President-elect Reagan" Tons of hits and news articles referring to them by that title, which they had.

You better get used to it, because it is a normal English usage and has been around for fucking ever.
In fact, there is a movie called President-Elect Roosevelt that was made in 1905. Silent film.
1) Nice bump.
2) You guys are killing me. I guess I was imprecise in my subject line. What I meant is what I said in post #29. Of course every president going back to Washington was "President-Elect" at one point. I’m not saying the position didn’t exist, that would be inherent in the system unless the new guy became President the instant a final vote was tallied and confirmed. FURTHERMORE, reading I have done with regards to some of the replies I’ve received has educated me to the fact that there is also in fact an "Office of the President Elect," (which I did not know) and has been since the 1950s.

ALL THAT SAID, I still think as a salutation it’s ridiculous, which is what I meant when I said "title" in the subject line. My apologies. I can start a new thread with a more precise subject line if it makes everyone happy.

I don’t particularly care for the guy, but this shit would irritate me regardless of the winner.

Edit: by further research - he resigned his Senate seat as of the 16th. "Mister" it is.

Enough said.
This thread has lived long enough. I’m going to pwn all you faggots right here and now.

He keeps calling himself "President Elect" and his office the "Office of the President Elect" because dumb conservative faggots like yourselves keep saying shit like "oh fuck now that obama’s prez the stock market is collapsing even more" and "what has obama done since he’s been prez? fucking lazy nga!"

Yeah, that’s why.

This thread has lived long enough. I’m going to pwn all you faggots right here and now.

He keeps calling himself "President Elect" and his office the "Office of the President Elect" because dumb conservative faggots like yourselves keep saying shit like "oh fuck now that obama’s prez the stock market is collapsing even more" and "what has obama done since he’s been prez? fucking lazy nga!"

Yeah, that’s why.

well he is lazy

he hasn’t done shit, and won’t do shit. In for laziest prez

well he is lazy

he hasn’t done shit, and won’t do shit. In for laziest prez

No president-elect in American history has moved as fast to get started as Barack Obama.

It is an unprecedented pace and a sign of how the economy’s dive is accelerating the traditional transfer of power in Washington. Since World War II, only presidents Dwight Eisenhower and the elder George Bush made any Cabinet announcements before December.

Even now, Obama didn’t take the post-election vacation that was once considered customary. Most days, he has been working out of the public eye at transition headquarters in Chicago. Last Monday, he spoke briefly with reporters before meeting with his election rival, Arizona Sen. John McCain.

Well, technically it is. But, the Electoral College has to vote first.

Right now he is still Senator Obama. He isn’t the President Elect until the EC has voted.

Incorrect. He is President-elect prior to the electoral vote per the Presidential Transition Act.

The terms “President-elect” and “Vice-President-elect” as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.

The General Services Administration certified Obama as the "apparent successful candidate" the day after the election, which means that he is the President-elect.

1) Nice bump.
2) You guys are killing me. I guess I was imprecise in my subject line. What I meant is what I said in post #29. Of course every president going back to Washington was "President-Elect" at one point. I’m not saying the position didn’t exist, that would be inherent in the system unless the new guy became President the instant a final vote was tallied and confirmed. FURTHERMORE, reading I have done with regards to some of the replies I’ve received has educated me to the fact that there is also in fact an "Office of the President Elect," (which I did not know) and has been since the 1950s.

ALL THAT SAID, I still think as a salutation it’s ridiculous, which is what I meant when I said "title" in the subject line. My apologies. I can start a new thread with a more precise subject line if it makes everyone happy.

So basically… Everything you claimed throughout this thread is wrong but you are sticking by it since you dislike the term "President elect." Gotcha.

Incorrect. He is President-elect prior to the electoral vote per the Presidential Transition Act.

The terms “President-elect” and “Vice-President-elect” as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.

The General Services Administration certified Obama as the "apparent successful candidate" the day after the election, which means that he is the President-elect.

Good find. But a question for you:

How do you find such obscure laws and regulations?

Good find. But a question for you:

How do you find such obscure laws and regulations?

Possibly the Cornell Law site
What’s the problem?

Friday, December 15, 2000

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Vice President-elect Dick Cheney accepts the keys to the General Services Administration Building from GSA deputy administrator Thurmand Davis on Wednesday Dec. 14, at the Bush-Cheney transistion office in McLean, Va. Republican National Committee chairman Jim Nicholson and co-chair Patricia Harrison celebrate outside the Bush-Cheney transition headquarters in Washington on Thursday, Dec. 14.

The Associated Press

McLEAN, Va. ‹ With keys to a new office and $5.3 million in taxpayer transition money, Vice President-elect Dick Cheney says the incoming administration will begin filling Cabinet jobs “as rapidly as we can.”

"We are going to do everything we can to get everyone named as quickly as possible," said Cheney after being handed an electronic card that opens a 90,000-square-foot government-supplied transition office in downtown Washington. It had been off-limits while the presidential election remained unresolved.

As nice as it was to finally open the government-funded office, Cheney still plans to work for a time at the Bush-Cheney temporary transition office here that was set up Nov. 30 with private funds.

That office is just minutes from his home. "It’s a great commute," he said with a smile, "and I want to take advantage of that."

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Republican National Committee chairman Jim Nicholson and co-chair Patricia Harrison celebrate outside the Bush-Cheney transition headquarters in Washington on Thursday, Dec. 14.

Working with just half the time that most new administrations have to appoint a Cabinet and fill top jobs, Cheney said appointments would come rapidly but said naming a Cabinet before the holidays might be tough.

"I don’t want to establish an artificial deadline and say that it’s all going to be done a week from Friday," Cheney said. "If we make it, that would be fantastic, but I don’t want to set out an artificial deadline."

A more realistic plan, he said, is to name the Cabinet quickly and forward their security clearances to Congress in enough time for lawmakers to begin holding confirmation hearings in January and be ready to start voting after the inauguration.

The Bush team will get extra help from the FBI, which will expedite security checks for Cabinet members, said Clay Johnson, executive director of the transition.

Cheney said the election deadlock, broken Wednesday night with Al Gore’s concession, slowed the process, particularly approaching Democrats who might serve in the GOP administration. That was "awkward while there was still a contest under way," Cheney said.

The McLean, Va., transition office has received more than 21,000 resumes for 6,000 jobs; most were sent electronically to the transition’s Web site, aides said.

The Bush-Cheney transition foundation has raised nearly $3 million in private money and spent nearly $500,000 so far, most of it for the temporary office.

The General Services Administration, a government agency in charge of federal property and equipment, is considering whether the Bush team may use some of its taxpayer money for transition expenses already incurred.

Seventy-five full-time transition staffers are working on policy proposals, fielding job applications and otherwise preparing for the new administration.

Some will move downtown, Cheney said, including people working on congressional matters and confirmation support teams for Cabinet appointees. The downtown office is designed for 540 staff members.

"Welcome to the Bush-Cheney Presidential Transition Team!" says a sign posted near an elevator.

"Finally!" says another.

Bush pledges Pentagon review; builds transition team

By Keith Koffler, April Fulton and Peter Stone CongressDaily
December 20, 2000

As President-elect Bush ventured to the White House for a meeting with President Clinton Tuesday, Bush-Cheney transition spokesman Ari Fleischer said one of the first missions of the Pentagon during the Bush presidency will be a "top-to-bottom review of all our military needs," fulfilling a campaign promise.

Fleischer also said that about 600 people, including Bush-Cheney issue specialists, congressional aides and others, would be named to advisory committees that will provide ideas and suggestions about legislation the incoming administration will propose.
The advisory committees will provide "input" to the policy coordination groups, which will draft legislative proposals and advise incoming Cabinet secretaries.

Bush will nominate Don Evans as Commerce secretary Wednesday, turning to his campaign chairman and longtime friend to fill one of his first Cabinet posts, a Republican official told the Associated Press. Evans, 54, is chief executive of Tom Brown Inc., a Midland, Texas, oil and gas company. He was instrumental in helping Bush raise a record $100 million for his presidential race.

Bush’s transition team has tapped some additional Capitol Hill and K Street veterans to help keep Congress informed and involved in the new administration’s talent search and policy development.

In addition to transition legislative affairs director David Gribbin and Ziad Ojakli, a former aide to the late Sen. Paul Coverdell, R-Ga., the team now includes Candi Wolff, who used to be a top aide at the Senate Republican Policy Committee. She will help Ojakli with Senate efforts.

Nelson Litterst, a lobbyist with the National Federation of Independent Business, and Kim McKernan, a lobbyist with O’Brien Calio, are helping with House transition work.

and finally

Presidential Transition Act of 1963

Public Law 88-277

Eighty-eighth Congress of the United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the seventh day of January, on one thousand nine hundred and sixty-four

An Act

To promote the orderly transfer of the executive power in connection with the expiration of the term of office of a President and the Inauguration of a new President.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That this Act may be cited as the "President Transition Act of 1963"

PURPOSE OF THIS ACT

Sec. 2. The Congress declares it to be the purpose of the Act to promote the orderly transfer of the executive power in connection with the expiration of the term of office of a President and the inauguration of a new President. The national interest requires that such transitions in the office of President be accomplished so as to assure continuity in the faithful execution of the laws and in the conduct of the affairs of the Federal Government, both domestic and foreign. Any disruption occasioned by the transfer of the executive power could produce results detrimental to the safety and well-being of the United States and its people. Accordingly, it is the intent of the Congress that appropriate actions be authorized and taken to avoid or minimize any disruption. In addition to the specific provisions contained in this Act directed toward that purpose, it is the intent of the Congress that all officers of the Government so conduct the affairs of the Government for which the exercise responsibility and authority as (1) to be mindful of problems occasioned by transitions in the office of President, (2) to take appropriate lawful steps to avoid or minimize disruptions that might be occasioned by the transfer of the executive power, and (3) otherwise to promote orderly transitions in the office of President.

SERVICES AND FACILITIES AUTHORIZED TO BE PROVIDED TO PRESIDENTS-ELECT AND VICE PRESIDENTS-ELECT

Sec. 3 (a) The Administrator of General Services, referred to hereafter in this Act as "the Administrator," is authorized to provide, upon request, to each President-elect and each Vice President-elect, for use in connection with his preparations for the assumption of official duties as President or Vice President necessary services and facilities, including-

(1) Suitable office space appropriately equipped with furniture, furnishings, office machines and equipment, and office supplies as determined by the Administrator, after consultation with the President-elect, the Vice-President elect, or their designee provided for in subsection (e) of this section, at such place or places within the United States as the President-elect or Vice-President-elect shall designate;

(2) Payment of the compensation of members of office staffs designated by the President-elect or vice-President-elect at rates determined by them not to exceed the rate provided by the Classification Act of 1949, as amended, for grade GS-18: Provided, That any employee of any agency of any branch of the Government may be detailed to such staffs on a reimbursable or non reimbursable basis with the consent of the head of the agency; and while so detailed such employee shall be responsible only to the President or Vice-President-elect for the performance of his duties: Provided further, That any employee so detailed shall continue to receive the compensation provided pursuant to law for his regular employment, and shall retain the rights and privileges of such employment without interruption. Notwithstanding any other law, persons receiving compensation as members of office staffs under this subsection, other than those detailed from agencies, shall not be held or considered to be employees of the Federal Government except for purposes of the Civil Service Retirement Act, the Federal Employee’s Compensation Act, the Federal Employees Group Life Insurance Act of 1954, and the Federal Employees Health Benefits Act of 1959;

(3) Payment of expenses for the procurement of services of experts or consultants or organizations thereof for the President-elect or Vice-President-elect, as authorized for the head of any department by section 15 of the Administrative Expenses Act of 1946, as amended (5 U.S.C. 55a), at rates not to exceed $100 per diem for individuals;

(4) Payment of travel expenses and subsistence allowances, including rental of Government or hired motor vehicles, found necessary by the President-elect or Vice-President-elect, as authorized for persons employed intermittently or for persons serving without compensation by section 5 of the Administrative Expenses Act of 1946, as amended (5 U.S.C. 73b-2), as may be appropriate;

(5) Communications services found necessary by the President-elect or Vice-President-elect;

(6) Payment of expenses for necessary printing and binding, notwithstanding the Act of January 12th, 1895, and the Act of March 1, 1919, as amended (44 U.S.C. 111);

(7) Reimbursement to the postal revenues in amounts equivalent to the postage that would otherwise be payable on mail matter referred to in subsection (d) of this section.

(b) The Administrator shall expend no funds for the provision of services and facilities under this Act in connection with any obligations incurred by the President-elect or Vice-President-elect before the day following the date of the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2, or after the inauguration of the President-elect as President and the inauguration of the Vice-President-elect as Vice President.

(c) The terms "President-elect" and "Vice-President-elect" as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.

(d) Each President-elect shall be entitled to conveyance within the United States and its territories and possessions of all mail matter, including airmail, sent by him in connection with his preparations for the assumption of official duties as President, and such mail matter shall be transmitted as penalty mail as provided n title 39, United States Code, section 4152. Each Vice-President-elect shall be entitled to conveyance within the United States and its territories and possession of all mail matter, including airmail, sent by him under his written autograph signature in connection with his preparations for the assumption of official duties as Vice President.

(e) Each President-elect and Vice-President-elect may designate to the Administrator an assistant authorized to make on his behalf such designations or findings of necessity as may be required in connection with the services and facilities to be provided under this Act. Not more than 10 per centum of the total expenditures under this Act for any President-elect or Vice-President-elect may be made upon the basis of a certificate by him or the assistant designated by him pursuant to this section that such expenditures are classified and are essential to the national security, and that they accord with the provisions of subsections (a), (b), and (d) of this section.

(f) In the case where the President-elect is the incumbent President or in the case where the Vice-President-elect is the incumbent Vice President, there shall be no expenditures or funds for the provisions of services and facilities to such incumbent under this Act, and any funds appropriated for such purposes shall be returned to the general funds of the Treasury.

SERVICES AND FACILITIES AUTHORIZED TO BE PROVIDED TO FORMER PRESIDENTS AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENTS

Sec. 4. The Administrator is authorized to provide, upon request, to each former President and each former Vice President, for a period not to exceed six months from the date of the expiration of his term of office as President or Vice President, for use in connection with winding up the affairs of his office, necessary services and facilities of the same general character as authorized by this act to be provided to Presidents-elect and Vice Presidents-elect. Any person appointed or detailed to serve a former President or former Vice President under authority of this section shall be appointed or detailed in accordance with, and shall be subject to, all of the provisions of section 3 of this Act applicable to persons appointed or detailed under authority of that section. The provisions of the Act of August 25, 1958 (72 Stat. 838 3; U.S.C. 102, note), other than subsections (a) and (e) shall not become effective with respect to a former President until six months after the expiration of his term of office as President.

AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS

Sec. 5. There are hereby authorized to be appropriated to the Administrator such funds as may be necessary for carrying out the purposes of this Act but not to exceed $900,000 for any one Presidential transition, to remain available during the fiscal year in which the transition occurs and the next succeeding fiscal year. The President shall include in the budget transmitted to the Congress, for each fiscal year in which his regular term of office will expire, a proposed appropriation for carrying out the purposes of this Act.

Approved March 7, 1964

Wow..there has been a lot of dumb, petty arguments about Obama in this forum lately

How’s being so bitter working out for you…..?

Good find. But a question for you:

How do you find such obscure laws and regulations?

I was going to go into a troll rant about the importance of the Presidential Transition Act and how it’s not obscure … but I question even my ability to pull that one off.

For this particular one, I actually just found it by looking up President-elect on Wikipedia, which linked to the text of the legislation. I CTRL+F’d "President-elect" until I saw the definition.

For other ones, I use Google, Cornell, Wikipedia, or whatever. If that doesn’t get me to it, then I search for related legislation until I can snake my way to the one I want. I also have law dictionaries and textbooks. I even have a 1910 Black’s Law Dictionary. eloel

It’s pretty funny hearing that in the news. In two sentences, they’ll say "Mister Bush says… president-elect Obama says…"

It’s a good thing blacks supposedly have a big cock. He’s going to need it with the entire national press sucking on it all the time.

Kinda. I don’t have a problem with the TERM. Now. I still have a problem with someone using it as a salutation.

I hope you’re not talking about the origin of this thread. (My original post.) I’ve gone out of my way to say this has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with terminology. If McCain had won and done the same thing I’d have made the same post, or at least I’d like to think I would have.

That would have been brilliant.

It is a professional title… like coach or officer or senator or captain or mayor. So calling him President-Elect Obama is like calling him Captain Obama if he was the captain of a boat. The only reason you don’t understand that is because the title only exists for 2 months out of every 4-8 years… unlike the other titles I mentioned which always exist (and multiple people posses the title at any given time)
I guess.

I guess it’s kind of similar to a debate that existed around 1787-1790. There was a lot of discussion WRT what people should call the President.
One group of people including one of my historical heroes, John Adams, thought that simply "Mister President," and "President (Washington)" was too casual, as banks had presidents and clubs had presidents, etc. This group thought it should be showier, along the lines of "His Excellence, the President of the United States." Or "His Majesty, the President of the United States." This group was worried that other world leaders (mostly monarchies at that time) would simply not respect someone just called President _________.

The other group thought that by elevating the man & position with a title like "Excellency" or "Majesty" made it too simliar to monarchies like the one we had just thrown off, and that President _______ was sufficient for a man of The People.

Obviously the opinion of the latter group won the day, and I’m glad it did. Most Americans aren’t big on flashy titles, and I guess "Mister President Elect" strikes me that way; to me it smacks of hubris, and I would feel that way regardless of the outcome of the election. While I disagree with many of his policies and choices so far, Mr. Obama is tremendously well-educated, well-spoken, and clearly intelligent, and I have great respect for what he’s accomplished. As I said in previous posts, that address may have been used since the 1950s and I just never noticed until now.

I guess.

I guess it’s kind of similar to a debate that existed around 1787-1790. There was a lot of discussion WRT what people should call the President.
One group of people including one of my historical heroes, John Adams, thought that simply "Mister President," and "President (Washington)" was too casual, as banks had presidents and clubs had presidents, etc. This group thought it should be showier, along the lines of "His Excellence, the President of the United States." Or "His Majesty, the President of the United States." This group was worried that other world leaders (mostly monarchies at that time) would simply not respect someone just called President _________.

The other group thought that by elevating the man & position with a title like "Excellency" or "Majesty" made it too simliar to monarchies like the one we had just thrown off, and that President _______ was sufficient for a man of The People.

Obviously the opinion of the latter group won the day, and I’m glad it did. Most Americans aren’t big on flashy titles, and I guess "Mister President Elect" strikes me that way; to me it smacks of hubris, and I would feel that way regardless of the outcome of the election. While I disagree with many of his policies and choices so far, Mr. Obama is tremendously well-educated, well-spoken, and clearly intelligent, and I have great respect for what he’s accomplished. As I said in previous posts, that address may have been used since the 1950s and I just never noticed until now.

So Mr. President isn’t a flashy title, but Mr President-Elect is?

Yah kind of. Makes me feel like he’s going around saying "I AM TEH WINRAR. I AM NEXT."

Could just be me.

Yah kind of. Makes me feel like he’s going around saying "I AM TEH WINRAR. I AM NEXT."

Could just be me.

It is.

I guess.

I guess it’s kind of similar to a debate that existed around 1787-1790. There was a lot of discussion WRT what people should call the President.
One group of people including one of my historical heroes, John Adams, thought that simply "Mister President," and "President (Washington)" was too casual, as banks had presidents and clubs had presidents, etc. This group thought it should be showier, along the lines of "His Excellence, the President of the United States." Or "His Majesty, the President of the United States." This group was worried that other world leaders (mostly monarchies at that time) would simply not respect someone just called President _________.

The other group thought that by elevating the man & position with a title like "Excellency" or "Majesty" made it too simliar to monarchies like the one we had just thrown off, and that President _______ was sufficient for a man of The People.

Obviously the opinion of the latter group won the day, and I’m glad it did. Most Americans aren’t big on flashy titles, and I guess "Mister President Elect" strikes me that way; to me it smacks of hubris, and I would feel that way regardless of the outcome of the election. While I disagree with many of his policies and choices so far, Mr. Obama is tremendously well-educated, well-spoken, and clearly intelligent, and I have great respect for what he’s accomplished. As I said in previous posts, that address may have been used since the 1950s and I just never noticed until now.

As dumb as this topic is… I have actually learned more in this thread than 90% of the threads I enter.

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