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What do you guys think will happen here and what will be the impact?

my guess? He and the other candidates will endorse someone who has a viable chance for a 3rd party bid. Bloomberg?
or maybe he’ll announce a debate challenge from 3rd party candidates to McCain and Obama

“People will waste their time in voting for the lesser of two evils,” according to Paul’s prepared remarks. “Reject the two candidates who demand perpetuation of the status quo and pick one of the alternatives that you have the greatest affinity to, based on the issues.”

why would he endorse bloomberg? bloomberg is a tax loving, gun hating faggot.
"the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there?"
too late to get on the ballot in some states, is it not?
I think he’ll officially drop out of the race to become the Republican nominee for president.

They won’t let him on the ballot even when he isn’t too late.

This is the best option, but the MSM would never allow that message out, the talking heads from both parties would be out in force with scare tactics.
The republicans and democrats are the ones who should be scared the American people are coming to their senses. But it’ll never happen.
With half the voters prepared to vote for ‘more of the same with McCain.’
It proves that the dumbing down of America has worked.

Montana put him on the ballot… but RP said he wouldn’t object to that as long as he can be passive about it and doesn’t need to sign anything stating that he is running…

So my guess is he isn’t going to run… probably endorsing some other third party candidate.

?

IIRC, he considers taxes a necessary evil. And having an ‘anti-gun’ president should be the least of people’s worries considering the state of the country right now.

I really wish our country would wake up and do this.
He will admit to his extra-marital affair with a post-op transexual midget

I think Paul and all others should rally behind one candidate- maybe the Constitution party one. It would be great to see all the other candidates (who won’t win anyway) actually rally behind ONE of them, and say flat out to America- your system has been hijacked by the Republicrat Party, and it’s time to take it BACK! Ron Paul will be the VP choice for whoever everyone should rally behind (which still maintains truth in his statement that he wouldn’t run as 3rd party President in ‘08. That gives a mainstream "touchability" to whoever this pair is, and they’re going to use some suprise clout to try to force their way into the republicrat pretend debates.

no.. it’s definitely the post-op transexual midget

He never said he would not run, he always specifically said that he has ‘no intention’ at the particular time of the question.
It would be awesome if he said he was running and all the other candidates endorsed him.

It won’t happen, but it would have been awesome.

Please let it be this.

Perot, part deux.
Paul’s opening statement:

Live stream:
if Ron Paul were to run as an independent, would it hurt Obama or McCain More?

WTF?!? Actually, such rights become MORE important, the worse things get.
The coverage of the presidential election is designed to be a grand distraction. This is not new, but this year, it’s more so than ever.

Pretending that a true difference exists between the two major candidates is a charade of great proportion. Many who help to perpetuate this myth are frequently unaware of what they are doing and believe that significant differences actually do exist. Indeed, on small points there is the appearance of a difference. The real issues, however, are buried in a barrage of miscellaneous nonsense and endless pontifications by robotic pundits hired to perpetuate the myth of a campaign of substance.

The truth is that our two-party system offers no real choice. The real goal of the campaign is to distract people from considering the real issues.

Influential forces, the media, the government, the privileged corporations and moneyed interests see to it that both party’s candidates are acceptable, regardless of the outcome, since they will still be in charge. It’s been that way for a long time. George Wallace was not the first to recognize that there’s “not a dime’s worth of difference” between the two parties. There is, though, a difference between the two major candidates and the candidates on third-party tickets and those running as independents.

The two parties and their candidates have no real disagreements on foreign policy, monetary policy, privacy issues, or the welfare state. They both are willing to abuse the Rule of Law and ignore constitutional restraint on Executive Powers. Neither major party champions free markets and private-property ownership.

Those candidates who represent actual change or disagreement with the status quo are held in check by the two major parties in power, making it very difficult to compete in the pretend democratic process. This is done by making it difficult for third-party candidates to get on the ballots, enter into the debates, raise money, avoid being marginalized, or get fair or actual coverage. A rare celebrity or a wealthy individual can, to a degree, overcome these difficulties.

The system we have today allows a President to be elected by as little as 32% of the American people, with half of those merely voting for the “lesser of two evils”. Therefore, as little as 16% actually vote for a president. No wonder when things go wrong, anger explodes. A recent poll shows that 60% of the American people are not happy with the two major candidates this year.

This system is driven by the conviction that only a major party candidate can win. Voters become convinced that any other vote is a “wasted” vote. It’s time for that conclusion to be challenged and to recognize that the only way not to waste one’s vote is to reject the two establishment candidates and join the majority, once called silent, and allow the voices of the people to be heard.

We cannot expect withdrawal of troops from Iraq or the Middle East with either of the two major candidates. Expect continued involvement in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Georgia. Neither hints of a non-interventionist foreign policy. Do not expect to hear the rejection of the policy of supporting the American world empire. There will be no emphasis in protecting privacy and civil liberties and the constant surveillance of the American people. Do not expect any serious attempt to curtail the rapidly expanding national debt. And certainly, there will be no hint of addressing the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationship with big banks and international corporations and the politicians.

There is only one way that these issues can get the attention they deserve: the silent majority must become the vocal majority.

This message can be sent to our leaders by not participating in the Great Distraction—the quadrennial campaign and election of an American President without a choice. Just think of how much of an edge a Vice President has in this process, and he or she is picked by a single person—the party’s nominee. This was never intended by the Constitution.

Since a principled non-voter sends a message, we must count them and recognize the message they are sending as well. The non-voters need to hold their own “election” by starting a “League of Non-voters” and explain their principled reasons for opting out of this charade of the presidential elective process. They just might get a bigger membership than anyone would guess.

Write-in votes should not be discouraged, but the electoral officials must be held accountable and make sure the votes are counted. But one must not be naïve and believe that under today’s circumstances one has a chance of accomplishing much by a write-in campaign.

The strongest message can be sent by rejecting the two-party system, which in reality is a one-party system with no possible chance for the changes to occur which are necessary to solve our economic and foreign policy problems. This can be accomplished by voting for one of the non-establishment principled candidates—Baldwin, Barr, McKinney, Nader, and possibly others. (listed alphabetically)

Yes, these individuals do have strong philosophic disagreements on various issues, but they all stand for challenging the status quo—those special interest who control our federal government. And because of this, on the big issues of war, civil liberties, deficits, and the Federal Reserve they have much in common. People will waste their vote in voting for the lesser of two evils. That can’t be stopped overnight, but for us to have an impact we must maximize the total votes of those rejecting the two major candidates.

For me, though, my advice—for what it’s worth—is to vote! Reject the two candidates who demand perpetuation of the status quo and pick one of the alternatives that you have the greatest affinity to, based on the other issues.

A huge vote for those running on principle will be a lot more valuable by sending a message that we’ve had enough and want real change than wasting one’s vote on a supposed lesser of two evils. (Via Campaign for Liberty)

That was linked on the first post.

What else did he say? Anything substantial????

yea, what was the conclusion, I was too busy eating cheerios

I’m at work… I can’t watch streaming video or get on most news channels… and cnn doesn’t have much about it yet.
its supposed to be an unprecendent move so i doubt he will endorse anyone.
his conclusion is to vote for a third party candidate

yeah… apparently he just said that he would not endorse McCain and encouraged voters to vote independent.

I’m not sure this will hurt either candidate… but seeing as Ron Paul is a Republican, it’s certainly something worth noting that he and his supporters are not falling in line with his party.
It’s a shame Ron Paul is the only sane voice in Washington
yep big disapointment… I thought the whole point was to get one 3rd party candidate and get all the influence behind that one, to try to open up the debates.

you are just realizing this

Wow, Ron Paul is the man.

Im pretty sure his legacy will be that he sparked a change. Great man. He really does deserve to run your country.
too bad… should have been planned to get the 3rd parties to back one candidate with the agreement that if one wins, then the cabinent will be made up of people from each of the third parties, all in the hopes of bringing real reform to the so called democratic process.

We’ll see… and I hope so, but there are alot of people who will say this just finishes him off as a lune.
He won’t be endorsing McCain. The McCain camp doesn’t need his endorsement either, he’s not respected by the republican base and he’s not going to sway anyone.

He’s got a chance to sway enough to royally fuck up both party’s plans.

If you look back at past elections, it’s been a 3rd party that’s fucked things up for either the dems or republicans going back to Perot. This year will be no different. Someone’s going to lose enough votes to 3rd party to lose it all.

Equally sad that many Americans see him as the insane one

He does have some less sane ideas and can be extreme at times.

I still would feel the most confident with him as president as any of his extreme ideas would be restricted by congress.
His extremist ideas would never have a chance of getting passed, so they didn’t really matter. What they did do was let everyone know how far out there he was, which is what always makes him an ‘also ran’.

They also attract all of the real nutjobs (kkk etc), which really turns off both republicans and democrats (although poth barties have their extremists also).

He has solid fundamentals, he’s just a bit.. whack.

Yet you have a cannabis avatar, ungrateful fuck.

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I have legal marijuana now, I dont need to vote for a racist because he thinks pot is ok.
He will announce that he is sick of you people and is moving out into the woods to live a solitary life fighting the elements and dominating nature.

Racist? wtf

I’m not even american but there is no evidence to say Ron Paul is racist. If anything he’s the least racist because of his platform. Trade with all but with no alleigance to any particular country. Plus his libertarian ideals say that you should treat everybody the same and they all have the same rights without categorising them by gender/race/whatever.

Setting aside the obviously false racist statement:

So you only want to vote for someone if they make things better for YOU?
What about the millions of other people being incarcerated for marijuana? You don’t care about them? What about your tax dollars that are being pissed away enforcing and jailing people smoking marijuana? What about all the other things he wants to do to get the government out of your life?
What if the feds decide to raid the place you get your "legal" marijuana at?

Or do you only care about YOUR precious weed? Pretty selfish if you ask me.

Ron Paul: Collectivism, Fuck Yeah!

hell yeah. Why would I vote for someone who makes things worse for me? I’m not a bleeding heart liberal.

They broke the law, they are in prison. Oh.. poor little babies. I went through the process, and got legalized. They aren’t in prison for smoking pot. They are in prison for selling it. usually an awfully lot of it.

And he is a racist.

Of course he says "OMG! Someone sent out newsletters with my name on them, from my office, and accepted donations and put it in my bank account, but I never read them and didn’t know there was racist stuff in them!"

Give me a break. There is a reason why the KKK supports him.
I’m sure Ron Paul has called a few people niggers in his life

I don’t think he takes that into account with his policies though.

oh hi there, Ghosthunter.

That attitude is what’s gotten our country into such a bad spot to begin with.

People only vote for politicians who promise to give them something they want. If people qualify for welfare they’ll vote for the welfare candidate, if they qualify for some other social program they’ll vote for the candidate who is going to fund that social program.

You ARE just like a bleeding heart liberal. You want only what helps YOU, and you don’t mind fucking over other people to get it.
Because i don’t want to vote for your racist hick, I’m fucking over everyone else? You’re pretty funny.

If I don’t want to vote for Obama I’m a racist.

If I dont want to vote for Mccain Im an athiest and woman hater.

Not very original are you?

That 93% of black people voting for Obama because he promised them something, are they fucking over everyone else too? Or is that just for people you don’t agree with?

The reason why the KKK support him is not because he is racist but is because they know that if Ron Paul was magically elected, he would not infringe on their rights as American citizens.

He is not racist at all, you can try and pretend that he is racist but how can a man that has devoted 30 years of his life to this country to uphold his ideals and values of liberty be racist?:

-Ron Paul

You can say he is crazy for thinking of abolishing the Federal Reserve and wanting to go back to the Gold standard and that is fine but when you say he is a racist when he really is not, then well, you’re just being amazingly ignorant and won’t take a step back from your views and think twice about what you’re saying.

you’re a fucking idiot, the only group getting fucked over is humanity by your theft of its oxygen

If I made a racist post here with a donation link and other racists sent in money and I put it in my bank account, would I be a racist?

That is exactly what he did.

When called on it he said " Oh, someone on my staff must have written that article and put it in my newsletter without me knowing about it."

When asked to separate himself from the racists that supported him and return their money, he refused. These are facts.

So after I made my post and you replied saying I was racist and I should give the money back, If I said someone else must have logged in as me, but those racists are cool with me and I am keeping their money, would you believe me that I wasn’t racist?

And you call me ignorant?

There ya go, way to respond with attacks. That’s what the ignorant usually do when confronted with facts they can’t get around.

Ad hominem attacks. Look it up. Come back when you can back up your statements or continue being ignorant.

In case you think I’m just making it up.

If you’ve seen his interview (its on youtube) about this, he said that even though he did accept the money and kept it, he said spreading the message of liberty and freedom was far more important than some people that support him that he has no complete control over.

He would use that negative money that was donated to him and turn it something positive that had more meaning.

And yes, you are being ignorant. You read a couple articles here and there and google things when you obviously haven’t been following him and keeping up to date on the racist situation which has been resolved months ago and yet here you are thinking that he is a racist still.

You might as well bring up how he was one of two out of the whole congress who voted against giving Rosa Parks a medal. Why? Not because Rosa Parks was black and he hated blacks and was racist but he believed that something like this shouldn’t be using the public’s money.

He then said he would take $100 out of his own pocket and asked everyone else in the Congress to do the same, so what happened? No one took up the offer, "It’s easier to be generous with other people’s money." -Ron Paul

Take a step back and really think about what you’re saying right now, do your research, think about it, he devoted 30 years of his life and was a doctor and didn’t accept medicare or medicaid and would deliver babies for free (and yes, not all of those babies were white), ALL just to uphold his ideals and values.

Now ask yourself, how can a man, who truly believes in what he says and has a consistent record of it more than almost any politician in the US government currently, be racist?

I judge a person by what they do, not what they say. And If I did judge them by what they say, I would have to include racist writings with his name on them.

Just like I judge Obama on his past relationships and who he chose to associate with. Just like I judge mcCain on his backing of 90% of Bush’s plans.

“Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold — but so does a hard-boiled egg.”

If you judge people by what their actions then you should certainly judge Ron Paul by his actions and see what he has been trying to do for this country. Things aren’t so black and white as you’re trying to make it, yes, he did accept $500 from a white supremacist group and used that money for a greater good. He’s not perfect, no one is but I believe making stumbles here and there even though not everyone will be pleased by it for a far more important cause, is far more important than a small trivial thing such as this.
If you actually read his numerous articles (that he actually written himself), then you would be dumbfounded by this whole ordeal also.

How do I know which ones he wrote himself if they all have his name on it?

Die you hypocrite faggot

they gave him money to help him in his campaign. it doesnt matter WHY they wanted to give him money, because with that money, we know what Ron Paul wanted to do. and you would have rather Ron Paul give money back to racists to finance their KKK agenda instead?

if you gave money to the KKK, would you sleep comfortably at night?

lolz. you’re a racist.
honestly where the fuck were you a year ago when this stuff came out and everyone dumped on how stupid it was?

Didn’t I just say to read them?

You should have enough intellect to distinguish writing styles, go read the "racist" article that Ron Paul supposely wrote, then go read his articles that he actually wrote here:

And see the difference.

They are mostly just voting for him because he is black - but if they are were voting for him because hypothetically he promised all black people $10,000 if he became president then yes, they would be fucking over everyone else just to get their way.

Same goes for anyone who votes for a candidate just because they promise more funding for their favorite piece of welfare. Which happens to be most liberals.

Ron Paul has never done anything racist you dumb fuck.

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