UMD Libertarians

Got your attention with that title…didn’t I.

I’ve been saying that I think McCain will win. But that I am an Obama supporter.

But from electoral-vote:

State Obama McCain Start End Pollster
42% Sep 27 Sep 30 Suffolk U.
46% Sep 30 Sep 30 Insider Advantage
43% Sep 27 Sep 29 Quinnipiac U.

47% Sep 28 Sep 30 Opinion Research
44% Sep 30 Sep 30 Insider Advantage
39% Sep 29 Sep 30 Research 2000
45% Sep 28 Sep 30 Research 2000
43% Sep 28 Sep 30 Opinion Research
48% Sep 28 Sep 30 Opinion Research
44% Sep 30 Sep 30 Rasmussen
44% Sep 29 Sep 30 SurveyUSA
47% Sep 30 Sep 30 Insider Advantage
47% Sep 28 Sep 30 Opinion Research
42% Sep 27 Sep 29 Quinnipiac U.
39% Sep 27 Sep 29 Quinnipiac U.
39% Sep 29 Sep 29 Rasmussen
43% Sep 29 Sep 29 Rasmussen
44% Sep 28 Sep 30 Opinion Research

Holy fucking shit. Four polls in FL….all of them Obama up. FOUR POLLS!

Just look that list up and down…there are many HARDCORE red states that are WAY too close and trending towards Obama.

I know there’s a month left. But…we didn’t see anything like this in 2000 or 2004.

If it stays like this for a couple of more weeks…I may have to admit I was wrong and finally call it for Obama.

Lot’s of time left. But if this doesn’t just demoralize the fuck out of you righties….then your heads are much further up your ass than any of us ever realized.
And at the end of the day, it will make no difference.

no conspiracies are possible

Pretty much.

That’s why I’ve still got McCain winning. Republicans cheat…that’s just how it works. Caging…bunk voting machines. Status quo for conservatives.

i dont consider it a conspiracy, just facts.

Well, the majority are going to put a big turd in the giant toilet bowl of DC.

So, in a way…

Like in 2000 and 2004, or is there some long drawn out explanation for why that was different?
Real clear politics has him up by 5.7%
So, that’s almost the 6% "black tax" that people are talking about.

I think he’ll tell you he doesn’t like Bush, anyways….

red turd, blue turd… what’s the difference? I vote, but not for either of them. Actually this is different. McCain and Obama are both on the same road to America’s self destruction. The only difference is McCain is on a 2-lane country blacktop and Obama is on the Autobahn.

me either… bleh!

Yeah because cheating is the ONLY way that the Republicans could win in Nov.

Pretty much.

How else can they win at this point?
The only poll that matters is on Election Day. Put your faith in any other poll (no homo), and you may be disappointed come election day. This happens with ever Pres. election with polls. There’s this saying about counting chickens and hatching…..someone remind me how it goes?

The fuck? No homo outta nowhere.

they haven’t cheated yet……… at least not in any way the democrats haven’t.

Yeah, this year they haven’t.

Using foreclosed home lists to cage voters and selectively toss ballots…..?

I didn’t know that. Details?

dems regularly register dead people, non-citizens, and felons………. how’s that different?

Wow Glenn Beck good quote there. Real original.

By garnering more electoral votes in November than faulty polls have led you to expect.

Some people here have never checked out a Chicago election when a Daley is in charge.

You think Republicans don’t?

Voter fraud is different from voter caging …. uhh.. just because it is by definition.

Basically, the send crap to the address that people registered with on their voter registration. It looks like spam, but if you don’t return it, they’ll claim that you’re probably a fraudulent voter and then these people get hasseled when they show up to vote. Most likely they end up having to use a provisional ballot, and those things don’t seem to get counted.

The GOP accidentally leaked their caging target list during the 2004 election, and it was analyzed and clearly had a bias to target Democrats.

Wow! How does that kinda shit even happen in America? Now I feel like I am in a 3rd world country with a despot in power.

The GOP has been using these mass mailing lists since at least the 80’s.

Buddyblazon enlightened me on the matter. Very underhanded tactic, indeed.

Jesus Christ!!!

Buddyblazon ftw.

I just finished reading the thread, and I am reading all the links you gave me. The more I read, the more disappointed I am in American democracy. How does the GOP even get away with these fascist tactics?

I wouldn’t call anything the Republicans do cheating. If there was no Electoral College than every election would be decided by Illinois, California, New York, and Florida. The setup we currently have now gives the many smaller states more say than they would have with only the popular vote.

I wasn’t talking about the electoral college.

I was specifically talking about cheating, which Karnejj elaborated on. You can read the links he’s posted; that’s what I am doing right now.
the electoral college is all bs anyways. the entire country could vote for obama, but mccain could still theoretically win

You’re a moron.

he’s gotcha there.
We use to use exit polls as red flags for election fraud. In fact, that’s what exit polls are used for around the world.

Not here anymore. Now….the exit poll companies will "ADJUST" the exit polls to match the final count (2004)….and tell everybody absurdly stupid shit like…."we’ll republican voters weren’t telling the truth when we asked them who they voted for"….

and we buy that insanely stupid excuse.

In most countries…if this were to happen…there would be a chance motherfuckers could be drawn and quartered in the streets.

Here…we’re told that excuse…we say, "Ok"…and go back to eating our twinkies and ho-ho’s.

For an example…Google the 2004 election in the Ukraine that went down the same way our election went down here….just days after our did. Ukraine’s by the 100’s of thousands went into the streets and demanded that their be a re-vote.

Why…because their exit polls were different then the final count. And they knew that election fraud had been perpetrated. And they were pissed.
And if you don’t know what exit polls are…and how they’re accurate within fractions of a single percentage point…do your research before you answer my post.

Exit polls are not the same as the polls we are getting today.
Thanks, buddyblazon. I am gonna go read up on this. Man, this is some fucked up shit.

Remember this…Republicans win elections when people don’t vote. So all they have to do is to figure out how to keep a few people from voting in strategic places (thanks to the electoral college) and they win.

A majority of the people in this country identify themselves as Democrats. If they all show up…every election would be Democrat landslide.

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