UMD Libertarians

I’ll never understand this. Who gives a fuck about gays? That’s the way I look at it. Want to be gay? Fine! Want to have 8 guys run a train on you while you are tied to some chair in a motel 6? Who gives a fuck!? How does that affect YOU? It doesn’t.
They think it does. I never understood this either. Much like why do they care so much about what a woman does with her embryos? I mean the conservatives are just gonna send it to war to get killed anyway.

what you hate in others is what you hate about yourself most of the time

i can’t think of a republican sex scandal in the last 10 years that wasn’t homosexual in nature, off the top of my head.

I, and a lot of republicans, could really care less about the gays. Just don’t think they should be able to be "married", because that’s not what marriage is. Or adoption. Besides that, I don’t care what they do.

Okay Dr. Phil

The belief that life starts at conception is why conservatives dislike abortion as they see it as simply murder

psychology 101
it’s require in most colleges

So when did government get to rule on who can and can’t get married? I thought that was a religious thing. Don’t get me wrong, I get what you’re saying, but shouldn’t we leave the marriage issue up to the church to decide? If a church wants to "marry" gays…then they have every right to do so….the government should NOT step in and tell them what they can and can’t do.

That being said, I can’t see many if any churches allowing gays to marry….soooooooo…….
I dont really care about gays, benefits should be shared but outside of that its a church issue.

Signing someone as a beneficiary or some shit should be allowed. I dont really know the right words that are used when it comes to that shit.

There is no definition of the word marriage anywhere that defines it between a man and a woman. Except for that one book with the really thin paper…
because most of them are self hating closeted homosexuals and are trying to distract them that fact.
It’s the party of small government, bro.

Unless you mean social issues, in which case big brother is okay.

In pretty much every culture at every point in time throughout history, marriage has been understood to be a union of man and woman (or sometimes man and women). That is because it was mostly an arrangement based on biology.

I am all for people having equal rights. It is not Republican policymakers who screwed gays out of that in the first place, it’s the judges who routinely ignored mutual legal arrangements between gay partners. So you want to provide a legal "out" from that situation for them (no pun intended), I will support you, but it still isn’t marriage.

The push for gay marriage seems to be about something bigger than civil rights, IMO. More than one side of this issue includes people wanting to force others, via government, to accept their worldview.

But not when it beneficial social programs like public education and social security. Because everyone should be able to fend for themselves.
US is a Christian-centric country…the Bible implies that being gay is evil and wrong…conservatives want votes from these people

btw..i see this hate for gays the exact same as the hate we saw against blacks in the 60’s. Some things never change.

Except for how Bush expanded federal control over public schools and pushed through Medicare Part D.

The Republican Party is an organization, not an ideology. Its current leaders are not following the same ideology as its past leaders.
Because practicing gay sex is against what they believe to be biblical morality. And encouraging it is seen as the work of the devil to destroy the Leave it the Beaver family ideal and loose the gay demons of hell upon society…. Because they want society to be going in the direction of Mosiac morality, and opposite the direction of what they consider heathenism and ungodliness.

The average conservative person’s views on gays are deeply rooted in their theology and biblical morality conditioning of what a perfect family and society as a whole is to look like. It will not easily be shaken by appeals to "live and let live" logic.. they believe it’s their divine mandate to convert everyone to their moral vision and lifestyle.

The implementation of Medicare Part D sucks balls, and was clearly designed to help Big Pharma more than gran’momma.

I doubt I even need to say how No Child Left Behind works out….
I love how it gets left out that most Democrat politicians (like Obama) are against gay marriage too, favoring civil unions.

Karnejj, did you never learn to stop arguing when someone agrees with you?

People who care see that it’s still an effort for equality.

Some people are just antsy about a somewhat blasphemous co-opting of the word "marriage."

Didn’t think your point was that they were shitty. If that is your point …. carry on.

Solution:
The government should not recognize any marriages from this point forward. It should only recognize civil unions. All past marriages will also be recognized as Civil Unions. Civil Unions should only be allowed for 2 consenting adults.

In the case of a religious marriage, the licensed minister will have the power to also perform the civil union. Basically your marriage and civil union happen at the same time.

The word marriage will be reserved for the people who get married however they want to define it. This would also resolve polygamist issues as someone could technically marry 2 people, but only have a civil union with one of them.
Conservatives really don’t give a shit about gays for the most part. If anything Liberals are the ones always bringing up the gays.

The conflict of interest happens when the government recognizes marriages.

The day you go to the city/county to get your marriage license.
The day you get govt benefits for being married.

Marriage is not a religious system in the US, it’s a govt one.

It’s perfectly fine to be gay, bi, straight, whatever…. 16 and over and everyone consents, it’s none of my business what you do in private. But when you want the public to recognize your relationship and you want the govt to extend benefits toward you, then it’s a public debate.

Hey drama queen, I got news for you. Conservatives DON’T care about gays or what gays do in their gaydom. All they want is for them not to spread their disease of immorality to their children.

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the Government never should have gotten involved in marriages in the first place

Marriage is by nature a contract between families for property and birth rights, it’s something that govt has been in since the beginning of govt.

What’s so about that? God made marriage. Aren’t you supposed to be a conservative or something?

God did make it, but now in our country it is a legal contract between a man and a woman.

which it shouldn’t be

the government has no place fucking with marriage. it’s a religious function

anyway, i’ve been for civil unions being goverment recognized and marriages just being religious forever. it’s the perfect solution
Federal Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Laws

Federal Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Laws I. What Are the Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination?

• Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin;
• the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination;
• the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA), which protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older;
• Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments;
• Sections 501 and 505 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which prohibit discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities who work in the federal government; and
• the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which, among other things, provides monetary damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination.

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) enforces all of these laws. EEOC also provides oversight and coordination of all federal equal employment opportunity regulations, practices, and policies.

Its ok to discriminate based on sexual orientation. That’s something you should keep in mind when you talk about gay rights.

Then there’s no reason to extend marriage to gays.

they care so fucking deeply because they like to fuck them deeply

No, it’s LEGAL.
There is a 100% difference in this case.

Laws often lag years behind the attitude of a nation, and this is a perfect example.

If marriage is religious like The_sponge said, then the govt has no right to force the religious groups to accept it.

But marriage isn’t religious, it’s a govt based contract going back thousands of years for property and birth rights. Transfer of wealth, transfer of nobility, etc….

My point exactly…what right does the government have to MAKE them public matters? They should have stayed personal and religious matters.

So once again, you have determined that the GOVERNMENT gets to determine that definition to "marriage"…..?

That’s the whole problem. Plus, your definition is too vague. I could say that a man and a prostitute (woman) decide on a price for the man to pay for sex. Implied contract between a man and a woman. Man gives money, woman gives sex. Contract between man and woman under your definition is marriage.

That’s bogus.

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