UMD Libertarians

so all the people who suck obama’s cock can explain this right?

owned

holy shit, maybe i’m not voting for him after all
Obama and Ayers aren’t drinking buddies and shit.

And if you hadn’t kept up with the times, Ayers didn’t actually bomb the capital yesterday or anything. He’s a professor at a Univ in Chicago ….. how insane that a professor in Chicago such as Obama may have made acquiantances with Ayers….

werd

UIC is not the same school as UofC
its time to start making ads about mccains propaganda films, and films about him giving info to the enemy that caused us casualties.

too bad they’re a bunch of communists
so the impression i’m getting is that this is not news in the slightest

Karnejj didn’t say it was.

no it’s pretty much common knowledge.

mr 21 yr old college republican

edit: more like living in moms basement republican

b/c it’s a fucking smear maybe?

oh yeah, they were hardcore Marxists

but at least they opposed imperialism and our corrupt government

I’m aware of that, and I didn’t think I made such a statement.

What I was stating is that it’s fairly clear that they can pretty easily share connections being pretty politically-active left-leaning professors in the same city.

A more telling and convincing accusation would be how if you say Obama/Biden 5x fast, it will sound like Osama Bin Laden. Think about it. Obama, Biden, Bin Laden, Battle Star Galactica.

who gives a fuck when he did it

People that have a brain.

Some people aren’t naive enough to ignore that the 70’s were a socially turbulent time.
the more i see stuff like this, the more i think obama has been setup to fail (lose to mccain)

the people running his campaign had to know this would be coming out

combine that with the Rev. Wright issue, the Muslim issue, and his name being Hussein Obama I have to wonder how any person high up in politics would consider this guy electable

i just don’t see it happening

yeah im a republican

paging alex jones

the video claims Obama’s political career began in Ayers home

why isn’t he in prison?

Case dismissed…. I think (don’t quote me on it) it had something to do with a violation of 4th amendment rights. Illegal FBI program or something

you know i’m right

check this out from the other thread:

good thing we don’t have to worry about that pesky 4th amendment these days!

The Bush Family/McCain openly court terrorists that that bomb and kill civilians in Cuba, because they oppose Castro.

US government is currently supporting terrorists in Iran that bomb civilians while trying to overthrow their government.

Weathermen intentionally avoided hurting anyone (except themselves) and just destroyed property in protest of the government.

yea illegal wire tappings or something
lol fag calls me a nigger then edits his post, just like a coward.

I dont know if setting bombs off in public is really trying not to harm people. Its a little reckless id say

:truedat:

)

it should certainly be punished

Ok for a second I thought you were trying to defend it in some way saying the deaths were accidents.

hopefully you enjoy not having to read my posts for a while cause i’m not editing this one, fucking nigger

If I’m not mistaken, the deaths were accidents.

It’s my understanding that the only people that died in weather underground bombings were weather underground bombers.

you’re such a piece of trash.

Your head okay? Did the Mises.org server go down or something?

sweet

i think the clintons are laughing because they know there is know way obamas can stand up the republicans like clintons can

oh hi, it’s ghosthunter the barely-literate mongoloid, sharing his retarded theories.

I take it that you had a bit of difficulty in deciphering his post, as well.

a cop died in one of them from getting hit in the face from shit inside the bomb or something.

coming from mr "i went to u chicago for econ and all i got was this seriously flawed understanding of the world"

ive never even been to mises.org

that bombing was only dubiously linked to the weathermen

It was linked to them more than it was linked to anyone else though

why did you change your name to cunt?

more then suits you

*than

Everyone hates you on this board.

stop crying because you try get me banned and you got your ass handed to you

Why the fuck would anyone want to be a college republican? That’s like stamping "Don’t invite me to any parties!" on your forehead. People should at least wait until their 30s before deciding to become a blatant asshole.

Integrity and standing up for one’s beliefs, perhaps?
Why does your political views have anything to do with going to parties

What’s that have to do with Republicans?

j/k
because he had to punch his political ticket by allying with extremists just like Rev. Wright. He needed these people to get him to where he wanted to go and he just dumps them when he is done with him them, it has no affect on his way of thinking

I had a great time in college, most bitches don’t like liberal hippies

Wright is an extremist?

Why did you have to bring up politics with girls you were chasing? I just showed them my dick.

allow me to correct myself, a racist extremist.
i’m neither republican nor democrat

but after seeing the documentary Brainwashing 101 about Republicans being singled out by administration on college campuses, I respect them for going against the grain while being outnumbered

this never happened

Wright is an extremist?

Wright is a racist?

OT response

idk …. I imagine that "Hey, baby. Wanna see my Republican Party registration card?" couldn’t have worked nearly as well.

I dont know how you could say he isnt an extremist

atch his appearances in front of the NAACP and the National Press Club, he was allowed to talk about his sound bytes being taken out of context and he showed what a racist extremist he is. Its why Obama had to dump him.

No one has ever cared to convince me otherwise, no matter how many times I’ve asked in this forum.

You’re more than welcome to post up some evidence of it.

Exactly, and that’s what makes them snot-nose BITCHES!

and I love them for it
Read the definition of extremist
1. a person who goes to extremes, esp. in political matters.

then read his quotes

Maybe one day someone will oblige me and actually post up those specific quotes.

a few listed there that are pretty extreme

Errr… which ones would you say are "extreme"?

The only one I would have objected to was:
“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”
… but that’s only because I don’t think I would have wanted to hear that while sitting in the House of God.

People today seem to think that minor sedition is racist or extreme. I find it pretty sad that the PRIVILEGE of questioning our government (that this country’s forefathers guaranteed us), has today been twisted into an ultimate sin. Solidarity shouldn’t extend to disavowing our fellow countrymen who carry concerns that hold some legitimacy.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now Falwell’s debate coach.)
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he in February.
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain .
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he his own legislation.
* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and with Norquist.
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then .
* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and just a couple of years ago.
* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University .
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s .
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the .
* And now he’s both for and against Roe v. Wade.
It’s not exactly a newsflash that McCain is veering ridiculously in a rather shameless attempt to reinvent himself, but Dems should take advantage of the situation and help establish the narrative now. Despite his rather embarrassing record of late, we still have major media figures that “no one would accuse McCain of equivocating on anything.”
Now is the time to begin characterizing McCain — accurately — as a man with no principle beliefs. Dems should not only criticize McCain’s constantly evolving opinions on nearly everything, they should openly mock him for it now, so that the storyline becomes second nature (like the GOP did with “serial exaggerator” Al Gore).

Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change. And I’m through now. But let me leave you with one more thing. Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontius Pilate - the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from East to West. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonized Kenya, Ghana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British government failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no. Not God bless America; God damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!
I dont really know how you can argue with someone who doesnt think those quotes aren’t extreme
And One, two, three, four. One, two, three. Now, that’s the European dominant beat. For African and African-Americans, it is not one and three, it is two and four. I don’t have to teach you. Listen to black people clap to this song. Glory, glory hallelujah, you are clapping on beats two and four. If you got some white friends, they’ll be clapping like this. You say they can’t clap. Yes, they can. They clap in a different way. It’s the same fact holds true with six eight time. Europeans stress one, two, three, four, five, six. One, two, three, four, five, six. Dum dum, dum, dum, dum. The stress is on one and four. Not for black people. When you got six eight time, blacks stress two three and five six.
Listen to this — blessed assurance, Jesus is mine two, three for, five, six - oh, why are you clapping on the wrong beat? Africans have a different meter and Africans have a different tonality. European music is diatonic, seven tones. Do, re, mi, fa, so, la, ti, do. That’s Italian. Europe. In west Africa and south Africa, it is not diatonic, seven tones, it is pentatonic with five tones. Wintley [Phipps] points out that if you want to know black music, just look at the black keys on the piano. Do, re, fa, so, la. Just those

…..aside from the conjecture on God, all of the above is pretty much indisputably true.

….all of the above examples can be argued legitimately.

This is a faith-based conclusion which he has already set-up with the earlier facts. Even if viewed on it’s underlying message stripped of the spritual overtones, a call for Americans to question and even deride the government of the US for factually-based complaints is in no way extreme.
Rev Wright believes that that whites in government created AIDS to kill blacks
none of that stuff kinggovernor quoted made him racist or an extremist. you guys just don’t like hearing the truth since you’ve been lied too all of your life.

you’re the good fuckin guy, the knight on the white horse, god loves you, you’ve never did nothing wrong to nobody

as does a large percentage of the black population.
BILL MOYERS: But even some of your admirers say it would be wrong to gloss over what Martin Marty himself called- who loves you- called your "abrasive edges." For example, you know, Louis Farrakhan lives in the south part of Chicago, doesn’t he? You’ve had a long complicated relationship with him, right?
REVEREND WRIGHT: Yes.
BILL MOYERS: And he, you know, he’s expressed racist and anti-Semitic remarks. And, yet, last year-
REVEREND WRIGHT: Twenty years ago.
BILL MOYERS: Twenty years ago, but that’s indefensible.
REVEREND WRIGHT: The Nation of Islam and Mr. Farrakhan have more African-American men off of drugs.

They’re mainly accurate, nothing remotely extreme about them, unless you’re a supporter of corrupt govt and don’t like people talking about what you get up to.

the KKK says that white and black brains are different and they are racist extremists

Rev Wright says that white and blacks brains are different and his is saying the truth

they are both racist extremists

What the hell? I assume you’re still quoting Wright, but even if every word of the above is false, how is this supposed to racist or extremist?

If you’re trying to make some point about
"different" = "racist"
… then I should inform you that racism takes a little bit more than that.

404 racism not found. infact how about including the rest of that quote

WRIGHT: The Nation of Islam and Mr. Farrakhan have more African-American men off of drugs. More African-American men respecting themselves. More African-American men working for a living. Not gang banging. Not trying to get by. That’s not indefensible in terms of how you make a difference in the prisons? Turning people’s lives around. Giving people hope. Getting people off drugs. That we don’t believe the same things in terms of our specific faiths. He’s Muslim, I’m Christian. We don’t believe the same things he said years ago. But that has nothing to do with what he has done in terms of helping people change their lives for the better. I said direct quote was what? Louis Farrakhan is like E.F. Hutton. When Lewis Farrakhan speaks, black America listens. They may not agree with him, but they’re listening.

Wrong. That’s not what makes the KKK racist extremists.

you make no sense. rev wright has done alot of work in his community to help not only blacks but whites

if you seriously think he’s a racist, i can’t change your mind — but i can point you to a dictionary. maybe you should look up the word racist and find out what it actually means

Mussolini made the trains run on time, that didn’t make him a good guy.

ok what is your definition of racist extremist?

oh now i get it you’re just trolling.

Never were truer words spoken.

rac·ism –noun 1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

I make perfect sense, its a racist statement made by a racist extremist.

I am not trolling, you are making the same excuse that Rev Wright made for Louis Farrakhan, yea he be a racist but he has done some good so it washes it out.

He is still a racist.

Re-read the definition. Then post back to me pointing out where Wright ever claims superiority of Blacks or inferiority of Whites as a race.

faggot

Prove they didn’t.

prove they did.

I’ll fuck you til you love me faggot

i’m waiting for him to show me evidence that wright believes blacks are superior to whites

or that blacks should rule over whites

I don’t give a shit whether you try to play up "usually" or not. Nearly any discourse on racism involves superiority. Otherwise, it would moronically allow you to call me a racist for merely pointing out such differences as: whites are lighter in complexion and blacks are darker in complexion.

Oh NOES!! I pointed out a difference. I’m such a racist now.
white people forced themselves to believe that just talking about race makes one racist.

imagine if John McCain stood up and said black and white brains are different, and that is why blacks don’t do well in school.

His career would be over.

here we go, playing the white race card.

fun game: try to identify the difference between this hypothetical and "blacks and whites clap to different beats… literally".
I get it, you far left guys agree with what he has to say and then he does not appear to be an extremist to you.

But there is a reason Obama had to dump him 2 times after a 20 year relationship, because of his racist extremist beliefs.

Perhaps, it would. What is your point?

Politically-incorrect != racism

there is a double standard about race in this country

that isn’t a politically incorrect statement, it is a racist statement.

My point is that there is a double standard

no lets be honest here. he had to let wright go because he was a liability, it’s just that simple. can’t have foxnews stalking his church waiting for them to say anything that can be used against obama.

You’re sorely misinformed of the nature of racism.

racism

One entry found.

racism

Main Entry:rac·ism Pronunciation: ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- Function:noun Date:1933 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
….Some have defined racism as a system of group privilege. In Portraits of White Racism David Wellman (1993) has defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities,” (Wellman 1993: x). Sociologists Noel Cazenave and Darlene Alvarez Maddern define racism as “…a highly organized system of ‘race’-based group privilege that operates at every level of society and is held together by a sophisticated ideology of color/’race’ supremacy. Racist systems include, but cannot be reduced to, racial bigotry,” (Cazenave and Maddern 1999: 42). Sociologist and former American Sociological Association president argues that the can be characterized as a "total racist society" because racism is used to organize every social institution (Feagin 2000, p. 16).

Perhaps there is a double-standard. That still has NOTHING to do with racism. It is, in fact, political-correctness that you’re railing against, whether you choose to believe that or not.

yea and i’m sure whites are getting the short end of the stick, right?

"..but, but.. you guys can say nigger but if we say it…"

"..but, but.. you guys have BET, if there was WET…"

that doesn’t address my point, that there is a double standard regarding racist statements in this country.

yea and like i said, i’m sure you believe whites are getting the short end of the stick.. RIGHT?

That’s becuse your point is based on a faulty understanding of racism.

what stick are you referring to?

We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. … We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. … We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.
And … And … And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this shit!”

ibyouguysagreewiththestatement

regarding racial comments or life in general?

what part of it (theoretical feelings of imaginary superbeings aside) is untrue?

because most Americans see Rev Wright as a racist extremist. You guys don’t but you are in the very small minority.

regarding life in general

because it seems to me whites aren’t content with having most of the power in this country, they also want to feel oppressed at the same time.

so basically you want blacks to not only live in poverty but we can’t talk about it either. gotcha.

well blacks only make up around 15% of the population, so yea i know i’m a small minority

Whether I agree or not …. I see nothing there that makes Wright a racism, nor an extremist.

Whether he’s academically accurate on his pronouncements is one matter, but even on the things he could be conjecturing upon or relying on spotty evidence, there’s nothing much "radical" in there. His overall theme is for acknowledgement and reform of gov’t actions, and that’s pretty non-radical. Now, if you’ve got any Wright quote calling for an armed march on Washington or any speeches where he details the recipe for ANFO bombs … or any of him railing against Whites as a race (as opposed to those who run the government) … then please do lemme know.

I think you are mistaken if you believe that I want someone to live in poverty.

and far left liberals

No. Fundametally, most Americans who have a problem with Wright see him as an unpatrotic liar. They’ve been misled somehow into conflating these impressions with the term "racist extremist."

i think you’re missing my point. the only thing most blacks have are their words w/little to no power behind them.

you would think whites could shrug it off, and most can. however there’s still a minority that feels it’s somehow unfair that we can openly discuss race and you guys can’t w/o being branded a racist.

well big fuckin whoop, maybe if most of you weren’t closet bigots it would be easier to discuss race relations. instead you’d rather act as if we evoked the spirit of hitler every time you see blacks talk about white supremacy.

and please, don’t respond with a rev wright quote. you’ll just prove my point.

definitely entirely the white man’s fault race problems have persisted.

The Rev Wright incident will probably come back late october. You dont go to that church for 20 years listening to that nonsense without believing it yourself.

Either Obama doesn’t go to church, or he believes a lot of what that church spews. Either way, it is going to come back.

did i say that sir? quote?

obviously we have our own issues within the black community or else we would’ve overcome the bullshit by now.

pwnt

why would they consider him a liar?

the first issue you have is considering yourselves a community. It will always hold individual back.

Because he pushes unconventional theories …. probably the exact same reason that you consider him to be an unpatriotic liar.
kinggovernor, when condemning Wright for his association with Farrakhon, you apply the same standard to McCain for his association with Hagee, correct?
lulz Obama has cried to the DOJ about the ad and is trying to censure them

I would think that would be more similar to Obama and Farrakhan, they both received unwanted endorsements.

McCain only "unwanted" the endorsement after Hagee started dragging his image down. McCain actively sought the endorsement to begin with, IIRC.

you are correct. Kinggovernor is making shit up.
Obama, conservative group battle through DOJ

By JIM KUHNHENN – 4 hours ago
DENVER (AP) — Barack Obama and a conservative group have escalated their fight over the group’s TV commercial linking him to a 1960s radical, by firing off dueling letters to the Department of Justice.
The Obama camp argued that the organization, the American Issues Project, is violating the law. The group cited a Supreme Court ruling to argue it is allowed to air the ad, which links Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.
American Issues Project is a 501(c)4 nonprofit corporation. Such organizations are allowed to air political ads, provided the Federal Election Commission determines that the group’s major purpose is not political.
AIP filed a document with the Federal Election Commission last week identifying Texas billionaire Harold Simmons as the lone financier of the ad, contributing nearly $2.9 million to produce and air it. Simmons is a fundraiser for John McCain and was one of the major contributors to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which aired ads in 2004 against John Kerry.
The confrontation pits two of Washington’s prominent campaign finance lawyers against each other — Robert Bauer for Obama and Cleta Mitchell for the American Issues Project.
"This is an organization with no known other activities, no known financial support of any significance," Bauer wrote.
Mitchell replied: "The majority of AIP’s annual expenditures are not political expenditures but are devoted to grassroots lobbying and education on issues, public policies and other communications, activities and programs appropriate to a 501(c)(4) social welfare organization in accordance with all applicable provisions of the Internal Revenue Code."
AIP spokesman Christian Pinkston said the group has raised what he called "significant" sums of money from a number of individual donors to carry out its lobbying and education functions. He said the group formed last year but did not have any financial activity until this year. A 501(c)4 corporation is not required to divulge the identity of its donors except when it airs a political ad.
"They’re going all of these routes — through threats, intimidation — to try to thwart the First Amendment here because they don’t have an argument on merit," Pinkston said.
Bauer also argued that if Simmons’ $2.9 million contribution was for political purposes, then he exceeded federal contribution limits. He urged the Department of Justice to intervene because the ads "violate the law in both directions — both in the raising and the expenditure of the funds."
Mitchell wrote in response: "Surely we have not come to a point where the government and its agencies are used to protect presidential candidates from citizens’ speech, essentially destroying the very purpose, meaning and historical essence of the First Amendment."

"Well I think it’s important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in. When he endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for and believes. And I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee’s spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and the freedom of the state of Israel. That does not mean that I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor John Hagee might have said or positions that he may have taken on other issues. I don’t have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions."

^^^ What’s that have to do with the Humungus’s question, or your original (inaccurate) response to it?

it McCain’s statement about Hagee

I still have no idea how it is relevant to either Humungus’s question or your original response.

Maybe this will help you though….

Interview by DEBORAH SOLOMON
Published: March 23, 2008

Q: As a prominent evangelical pastor based in San Antonio, you were recently catapulted into national controversy when you endorsed Senator John McCain for president. Is it true that McCain actively sought your endorsement?

A: It’s true that McCain’s campaign sought my endorsement.

I wouldn’t consider that lying, he doesn’t know for sure that the government didn’t start aids to kill blacks or whatever.

works for the jewish community

What a joke.

For an encore, why don’t you bring up the elementary school paper again that ‘proves’ he had always planned to run for president.

Fixed

Well played sir, well played.

Not banned……? That’s unexpected.

did anyone make a ban request?

the mods don’t read this forum as closely as others.

Apparently not. I figured 7960 would’ve handled it, but maybe he wasn’t active yesterday….

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