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Singers and actresses are the main fucking speakers at this shit.

Shouldn’t we be looking to more "inspirational" people than denzel washington and herbie hancock?

Like attracts like. Obama isn’t worth shit, so they use people who aren’t worth shit to show support for him.
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Obama is smart and has worked his way to be where he is at. Whether he has worked hard enough is subjective, however, he is there.

These are fucking actors

This post is dumb.
just another useless prez in the long line of useless prezes.
Because the concept as Obama as the president is an exercise in absurdity
HEY LOOK ERYBODY, we elected the new leader of the free world, so we’re going to use actors, singers, and athletes to spread his message.
because people generally like celebrities. obama being surrounded by them will result to more people liking him based on that. sad i know

this post makes no sense.

mormon
the government has been doing it since the early 1900s

I think the opposite. The only thing that makes them alike is being "well known" or "popular".

I dont think many people like to think of them as being one of the same.

DCC isn’t very bright, but i think he means like the general absurdity of celebrities, obama as a president is absurd.

Promoting him and speaking at an inaugural address are two very different fucking things.

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But it isn’t absurd for obama to be president. Are there pro’s and con’s? Sure. Do the cons outweigh the pro’s? I’m sure in some eyes they do, but it’s not like there was THAT much better of a choice on the other side.
i, for one, am looking forward to what herbie has to say

it isn’t, i was just attempting to articulate dcc’s post into understandable English.

California, let me guess, you voted for this dumb fuck right? The man who is projecting another 1 TRILLION dollars in government spending and an $825 Billion economic stimulus plan.

Yeah he’s really bringing about change and hope.

this
but i’m pretty bright

brb gotta take a dump

he played the keyboard…he didn’t say shit.

Hey, copernicus, why dont you go do some research and tell me what got us out of the great depression. I dont even need to look it up, I remember it from highschool history class.
Is this shocking? Obama as change is a complete media fabrication. It fits right into the storyline of selling "Obama" as a product and it has been extremely successful.
Oh, even better, jack black is fucking there. FAN FUCKING TASTIC.

he speaks through his music man

We have Hitler and Hirohito to thank for getting us out of the depression, ultimately.

Yes. He is already sold. He doesn’t need to be sold anymore.

who the fuck cares if they are different. obviously the media doesn’t, hence why they are putting celebrities in the inauguration. it’s psychology, and it WILL change people’s opinion (even if it’s just 1 person in the whole world) about him just because denzel or whoever the fuck is going to be there, was there.

He’s got Black in his name, I think that confused them.

I applaud you for actually giving a good answer.

hey idiot, i’d rather see that money going to domestic plans rather than being wasted on more warmongering. the money will be spent anyway, at least this way it may actually make a fellow american’s life a little better

yeah, it definitely changed my opinion…..but I dont think it was in the way they had hoped.

there are still all of the people that didn’t vote for him, maybe trying to get them on his side

wrong, we had the new deal and government intervention.

Pretty sure al gore won the popular vote and we didn’t see any shit like this.

Why is the money going to be spent anyway? Oh right, because the government behemoth wants to have ultimate control over its’ citizens and what better way to control us than for us to be indebted to our government.
at least CLinton provided the entertainment himself when he played the sax

WWII was a HUGE fucking factor for getting us out of the great depression.

probably because bush doesn’t give a fuck about public opinion

welcome to the last almost 70 years of american history

no worries bro

I don’t think so

:ro fl:

Have you ever read a history book? Here’s a question for you: What was unemployment as a percentage in 1938? Don’t bother looking it up, I’ll answer for you, it was about 20%. Yeah tripling spending really got the country out of recession

So you are admitting that the change that Obama promises is complete malarkey? Ok, we’re in agreement.

obama doesn’t need to either….he’s president now. All he needs to do is continue to speak with pretty rhetoric, not make an ass out of himself by having celebrities speak.

you would rather have someone like jesse sharp? al jackson?

i think this like any other presidency will rely somewhat on the public image and popularity. thus … entertainers.

reagan. was an actor. bush. hated. clinton. pimp. and always in the limelight.

g.w bush. hated like no other. but still a huge public figure.

obama will steal the show, as well he should. entertainers are his … entourage.

r

red herring?

oh wow, logical fallacies in quick succession.

strawman out of nowhere

thanks man, i didnt spread the blood so no one got infected
my mind is blown by his rapidfire assault on human reasoning

re-election should be the last thing on his mind, but it still doesn’t hurt him to have a gameplan

Obama spreads his message as being better for the American people. I believe the people of the United States have the mental capacity to seperate the difference between politics and entertainment. I would think Obama, specifically, would not want this. I would think he would want the American people to differentiate the two as much as possible. He understands education is the key to independence and freedom. Putting these people on a political pedestal just furthers their ignorance and it disgusts me that this is happening.

it isn’t a strawman if someone reasonably believes it. unless that person is terribly retarded like he is. so maybe it is a strawman
if you were President, would you want Bono as one of your high-profile supporters

plenty of our leaders do, blame it on our media

which is disgusting. Motherfucker doesnt even know how to be president yet and he’s working on getting re-elected
we’ll be watching our own version of Idiocracy play out

fuck no

i’d get GWAR

gonna have to differ with you here

lol, perhaps.

but i’ve always understood it simply as a misrepresentation of your opponent’s argument, superficially set up in order to be more easily refuted. never really considered the subjective aspect of whether you reasonably believe that it is the opponent’s argument. either way a fallacy exists

There’s a reason why Entertainment magazine and TMZ dont have news stories on what C-Span showed the week prior.

This is the reason why term limits should be enacted for all congresspersons. They are in a constant state of campaign due to the fact that their terms are so short. They should increase the representative term limit to 4 years and not able to be re-elected. This would ensure that A) career politicians looking to be bought off couldn’t gain the type of power that they have now due to the fact that they are basically appointed for life due to the incumbency rates in this country (Somewhere around 95%). B) It would last the duration of the Presidential term allowing actual change to at least be possible.

we are all americans idiot. If jack black supports obama then why isn’t he allowed to go

what do you mean by that?

So attack me personally, instead of responding with fact or at least an intelligent argument. You sound like a winner at life.

you copied that definition from wikipedia

I guess I’m wrong

it’s more a problem with our media and party bureaucracy rather than term limits.

rofl
why do you think? the demographic that has sackridden obama the most will want to tune in to lil wayne

Anyone in the fucking world can go for all I care.

However, the leader of the free world, aka, the leader of my country, should be selecting worthy and influential people to represent this country. Not someone who goes on a set and "plays" someone else for a month at a time

No one is suggesting he ought not to be allowed to go. What they are saying is what credentials or expertise does he bring to the table? The answer, none, save for popularity and notoriety. Many people supported Obama, are they going to be allowed up on stage? No.

it’s ironic you accuse him of an ad hominem when i’ve also pointed out your own share of logical flaws

Explain. I’m interested in hearing your perspective.

Might disagree with you here. If they are in a constant state of campaign (a constant state of showing people they are doing what the people want them to do) then they should be doing exactly what we elected them to do.

I don’t get the rhetoric argument. It’s as if being a good speaker like Obama is bad yet being an inartifulcate imbecile like McCain is good. Sure Obama speaks rhetoric but that’s what a President does. He boosts morale, he inspires his people like any good leader would do.

If Americans put entertainment and politics together, then the media would use Brad Pitt in an article in entertainment magazine to get support for government issues.

Really, all I was suggesting was that you proved my point by saying "Spending is part of American History the past 70 years". Your arguments seem that you are an Obama supporter thus leading me to ask how can Obama promote himself as change when he is just following the status quo by spending uncontrollably. I really don’t see the fallacy in the argument, then again, I’m not the one in school for that.

Well party bureaucracy for one plays a huge part because the party decides who will be nominated as their candidate, whether for president or congressman. ultimately this results in the prospective candidate having to woo his or her party members extremely early in the process so that he can attain respect, funds, and standing.

the media is probably the worst offender though. by hyping one candidate over another, using a little yellow journalism to sensationalize a race as being "close"…they can essentially influence how people in other states will vote when they cover a primary. this is the reason that certain states are moving up their primary dates; they know that the media will focus on them. and it’s human nature to associate yourself with the "winner"…this includes voting. when the media forecasts or declares that one candidate has won a state, those in other states will want to cast their primary votes for that candidate as well.

please leave my thread.

McCain has more experience than obama could ever hope for

soren didn’t even comment on experience wtf.
the whole thing is a shitfest of media and party politics…i wish we could solve the problem by doing something with term limits…but that’ll only be a temporary salve to the underlying problem, akin to the sarbane-oxley act and corporate ethics.

Yes, being a complete illiterate imbecile is exactly what gets McCain re-elected to government positions. Not his experience or decisions.

Obama’s pick for VP revealed he has the ability to identify his weaknesses and make the correct decisions to fix problems. McCain’s VP pick reveals he does what is politically favorable but pragmatically useless. Obama is also surrounding himself with people far more experienced and skillful than McCain could ever be. I also question the intellect of a man who graduates bottom of his class in military academy.

I can infer enough from that to see McCain as the fool.

I agree with your notions. The media, especially now that we are in a 24 hour news cycle, needs a constant narrative, and shape their reporting of the "news" to fit the narrative. I’ve noted on many occasions how the media portrays swings in the campaigns, saying that one candidate is gaining or another is down and out, only to make a triumphant surge. It’s utterly ridiculous to think that the media has such power over people to a degree that it influences who becomes elected. The duty of the press, from my understanding, is to be an independent voice on the government, in order to keep it in check.

sadly, in this day and age, people will respond far better to the message as put forward by celebs than by intellectuals and the like..

the world is dumbing down..and this is what we get.
Shouldn’t we, oh, I don’t know, be solving all of our problems before entertaining ourselves? work before play

We already have term limits. The only thing that even shorter term limits will have is getting newer, less experienced people in office.

Do you really want to have less known, less experienced, people running our government? I mean, its not like its GREAT right now, but I think it would be worse.

I don’t know why you quoted me because I was speaking about Jack Black?

McCain’s experience caused him to mismanage his campaign; he picked a moronic VP who doesn’t know anything outside the sticks of Alaska and feels her job is to see eye to eye with Joe Six Pack.

I dont care what people will respond to. I care about keeping that line in place. If people wont respond to intellectuals, then they should be kept as fucking far away from government decisions as possible.

that would not surprise me one bit. you did see oprah on the obama trail, yes?

You do know that McCain didn’t pick Palin, right? You do know that it was his campaign staff that pretty much said "you need to do something extreme to get this" right?

He didn’t want Palin, but he trusted the people who ran his campaign.

Everyone knows this. Maybe you should go do some reading

Do you want a current example on why term limits are needed? The whole Big Three Auto shit going down now, would not have happened if representatives were limited to terms. Detroit has been in the pockets of guys like Conyers forever. They keep him in power and he delivers on whatever they need done. CAFE standards in this country have been a complete joke for over 20 years. Why? Because Detroit knows it has its’ power brokers in place in congress.
Motion to change title to "Faggots: Get in Here and be Faggots!"

To be honest, it doesnt really matter what you care about This is how things are today.

If it takes entertainers to get people to pay attention to important political issues then so be it. I would rather that than have them be totally apathetic.

bandages to stop arterial wounds. we can only do so much at one time.

you always say that
I always remember the complete naivete of my gf’s friend who said "It makes me feel good to know we have a President who won’t lie to us". Dumb fucking college broads who don’t understand how things work. The people don’t always need to know the truth. The truth is cold and ugly.

It’s sad to say, but I do believe that Oprah does have a LITTLE bit more education than every day actors. At least she is always informing people of different worldly issues as opposed to playing a character in stupid movies.

So you’re saying McCain acquiesces to his advisors and doesn’t even make his own decisions on something as important as VP pick? And you think he’d be a good president?

Give me a break, McCain is responsible for every decision he made and blaming his advisers is a pathetic cop-out.

oh i like her. she won me over in color purple. can’t stomach her show though.

but i would rank her as an entertainer first.

Term limits would not fix this. Exploiting and demanding change from corruption would change this.

They want his inauguration to reflect what his presidency will be like, obviously.

Style over substance.

oh she is just riding the bandwagon that bush lied, people died. i don’t expect much from girls like that. just keep their ass high and tight and i’ll be happy

Do you really just think its "THAT" easy? Here you are, a 70 year old man who has never been in this position before, you are not up to date with current technology, you dont know or understand the extremities the political campaign has advanced to. So what do you do? You hire hundreds of people who have hundreds of years experience combined in modern campaign practices. All these people do all day long is study past and present situations.

These people collectively tell you that the entire political landscape that you’ve grown up and been accustomed to has completely changed. It’s changed a great deal, especially because of Obama and his youthful, well rehearsed, very modern ran campaign.

These people tell you, you must find someone new and young and enthusiastic, not just another face people attribute with the current government.

Do you really fucking think they knew Sarah Palin would be such a joke? Come on you fucking idiot, fucking think about it. It’s WIDELY known that he wanted to choose another VP but was highly advised against it.

STFU

Do you understand how committees work and how those with tenure have much more power?

Look at fucking Dingell. Biggest piece of shit around. Look at the shit he is sponsoring. 29. : To encourage greater energy efficiency in building codes.
Sponsor: [MI-15] (introduced 7/31/2008) (1)
Committees: House Energy and Commerce
Latest Major Action: 7/31/2008 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

I’ll let you search for the bills he’s introducing looking into raising Fuel Efficiency standards in cars. I’ll save you the time, there are none.

I will always rank her as an entertainer, just wouldn’t compare her to jack black or tiger woods.

I know exactly what they do. However, we need people and things to exploit these corruptions as hard, or harder, than these companies try to keep these people in power.

No matter what term limits you have, if you can’t fix the corruption, then the new people elected will just become corrupt right away.

Swapping out the employees and not fixing the root cause will change nothing.

dude i don’t know why but you can’t comprehend anyone else’s posts well.

yes we have term limits, no shit. and i’m agreeing with you, new term limits aren’t the solution; like i said, the underlying problem is media and party politics.

hope you can understand now that i simplified it for you that we’re close to being on the same page in relation to this issue.

I am comprehending, i’m just reacting to specific parts of posts. If I dont react to other parts, its probably because i’m in agreement with them.

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Every leader is responsible for his subordinates and advisors. She was his running mate, therefore he had ultimate responsibility for her and her actions, no matter who made the suggestion to have her.

oh okay lol.

Obviously he took responsibility for it and is paying the price, however, I do not believe it to be his decision.

It sounds like what you just described is very similar to the Presidency. I think I’d prefer Obama’s people to McCain’s people if all the McCain camp could come up with was a vapid woman only there to score political points. Sounds like McCain would be a terrible president if he continued to follow his current decision-making process.

AKA, I agreed with you about the media and party politics, hence why I did not respond to it.

You both have a point. Ya corruption can pervade even the newest congressman, but at the same time those who are in power longer can be corrupted for longer

So would I, which is why I voted for Obama. I voted for Obama SPECIFICALLY because I refused to vote for Palin. However, try to look at the broader story than just discredit everything John McCain has ever stood for.

Presidents make decisions, if such an important matter wasn’t "his decision" then it would be unpresidential. That’s why McCain would never admit that such a thing wasn’t his decision, it would make him look utterly unpresidential.

Unless you exploit their corruption to the point where people are threatening their families and livelihood.

LOL, I forget which President it was, but there was a man who literally walked into the white house and beat up the President way back when.

admission is completely different. Of course he wont admit it, but everyone knows the truth. Just because someone doesn’t come out and say something doesn’t mean its not true.

Sarah Palin was a fucking land mine for John McCain.

I don’t discredit what he has stood for. I just believe he would make a poor president based on his mental aptitude, his inability to communicate his ideas and my intuitive feeling that he’d be a poor collaborator; I think he would filter out ideas that differ from his own perceptions and surround himself in yes men like Bush did. That was a complete catastrophe so I prefer a new approach.

He is extremely moderate compared to bush and comparing the two just proves that Obama’s strategy worked on you.

And I’d rather have a man with life experience, blood, sweat, and tears in the government as the president of the united states as opposed to one who spreads his message through fancy rhetoric and celebrities.

Obama speaks to the people and they love him. Inspiration breeds optimism and optimism breeds motivation. I think it’s the role of a leader to inspire his people and McCain lacks that critical element. Of course it’s only one element but Obama’s intellectual talent and his tendency to surround himself with strong-spirited and very accomplished people reassures me that his administration will contemplate many different ideas and decide on ones that are reasonable, effective and pragmatic.

If McCain’s experience can’t help him in picking a VP, I doubt his experience would help him in office more than Biden’s experience would help Obama.
"I know I was all right on Friday when I got up. If anything, I was feeling more stolid than usual. When I went out to the kitchen to get breakfast, Ainsley was there, moping. She said she had been to a bad party the night before. After the first minute I was surprised to find my feet moving, wondering how they had begun. But I didn’t stop. The rest of them were so astonished… ‘I think I ought to tell you something’, she said softly. His dark eyes opened and looked up at her vacantly. ‘That’s your problem then’, he said. At last I know what I really want to be. She pulled her face away and gazed down at him. His eyes were closed. He was gazing serenely at the ceiling. I took a quick drink of water. I couldn’t imagine Ainsley making a miscalculation. Being a person is too complicated. ‘I don’t believe you’. She wasn’t smiling. ‘Why are you so interested in me, Miss?’ ‘Oh, they’re immortal’, she said quietly. ‘It’s only a cake.’ "

The US Government that is "ideological" in nature and "building itself up from within" is quite far into the past. We are much more of a business now than a helping hand and we’re reliant upon other countries and not just ourselves. We need someone to make good decisions for us on a worldly level and make us successful that way as opposed to "inspiring" people. The middle class is fading.

I find it funny how everyone in America wants a "middle class" and to be "another ordinary person", yet we always have to have the best. "We are a country of ordinary people yet we are the best country in the world."

if you weren’t so pro-israeli we’d be e-friends

fucking israel and fucking land.

I give you exhibit A: an extremely butthurt Palin lover.

I’m happier to see him going that route than waving the bible everywhere.
cause you are just looking for something, ANYTHING to bitch about and then relate it to Obama.

you consider that spectacle "anything"? I feel sorry for this country

Not even remotely. I didn’t vote for either of the two front running jackasses.

You were making a reasonable point right up until the phrase "fancy rehtoric." That makes you sound like an uneducated maggot who has been influenced by the anti-academic / anti-intelligence propaganda of the extreme right. You do understand that they assume, and appear to have proven, that less intelligent and accomplished people will desperately latch onto that type of bullshit so, if nothing else, they can ignore that small, quiet part of them that knows they are stupid?

oh, its you again.

I already know what you have to say, so dont bother saying it.

you are so fucking bitter that obama won… dude. relax. the people elected him. just like they did bush… twice. give the guy a chance.

I forgot how worth while debating politics on OT could be
BTW, Bush had two enormous overblown innagurations.

including entertainment from Hillary Duff and Gloria Estefan.

whats the deal?
the Republican’s main project of the last 100 years is undoing the New Deal.

now Obama has proposed something that equates to new deal 2.0.

and its fucking funny to watch them scramble.

Except McCain’s weakness was the lack of the conservative vote. So he picked a conservative VP and actually did get the support for a few weeks. Then we learned she’s braindead.

the key difference here is that the country is imploding and quadruple the amount is being spent on this one. Keep in mind that democrats flipped the fuck out when bush spent $40 million on his

the only thing that saved the US back then was WW2, not the new deal. Most people think that the new deal HAMPERED recovery

Because black people really have no one of any real substance, only athletes and rappers… none of which takes much mental talent.

Besides, it was never proven and it is highly debated on whether or not the new deal was even the least bit effective. As for WW2 bringing us out of it, we are currently in one officially declared war and one in Afghanistan, and it doesn’t matter. Things are outsourced and automated to the point where wars don’t drive up the number of jobs required for production.
just be happy that you are in AZ and not any where near dc

they actually do, but for some reason would rather have stevie wonder and usher represent them

That’s the kind of people that make up Obama’s true constituency. Even black people know how ghetto black people are, which is why this black news writer wrote this list of behaviors to avoid taken from

why would he invite rappers?

because he’s black… and black people look up to rappers more than they do positive role models such as black politicans…

jesus christ
it’s a fucking concert who do you expect to be there other than entertainers?
Bush had ricky martin at his.

"This is not a political event," said Greg Jenkins, the committee’s executive director. "This is a bipartisan celebration of a democratic process of swearing in."

Whoops, reached a little too high and made an ass of yourself.

No gym for home.
Some quality trolling in this thread btw. GJ Trolls
I laughed when I saw rich people in fur coats cheering on and dancing to John Mellencamp’s "ain’t that america" which is essentially a blue collar/working class song.
I still wish Obama would have come out yesterday dressed like Apollo Creed in Rocky 4 to Living in America

Politicians are more crooked
same reason why they all sucked clintons cock in 92 and 96

so they can get out on stage and say we’s finally free of our shackles, so that they can retain their special "entertainer" top tier tax brackets, which are 1/2 what entrepreneurs that employ the rest of the country pay
I have no problem with it. Better this than throwing eggs at W’s motorcade 4 years ago.
Because despite being a very smart politician and the right man for the job, Obama is unfortunately above all else a celebrity.
is this the daily obama whinefest or are there more threads coming today?

4 more years of them. strap on your seatbelt

HAHAHAH classic

well what the hell
They put him in office, might as well be there to welcome the "celebrity president" into office.
At least Kanye will not be able to say that George Bush hates black people.

Obama hates half black people….oh wait
im so excited about this inauguration. its going to be like the mtv video music awards

dont talk math to me
the Obama Administration is basically a dog and pony show for black people
anyone else watching oprah right now? she’s got will-i-am and other nogs on there celebrating the arrival of our savior

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